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Hi All,

There is no Democracity thread so I have good reason to start one. I just picked this up :rolleyes: 20 years and I have seen 2 with one being in Gelertner's book. Not only scarce, but a good composition. For the daytime portion of this 6 minute show, I have 2 killer candids, 2 awesome negatives, and I have sold 1 U&U print and 2 b/w snaps. I own abt 3 others all blurry and that's all folks. I encourage all others with Democracity photographs to share them here with watermarks etc. I don't care. I know three of you have images at least.

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Best wishes,

Eric

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Dear Bill,

Many thanks. Top image - excellent vantage. Bottom image is darn near the same angle of mine - may I prepare a day/night version - side by side? I attach two more here - the first is a low res/poor scan from one of my negatives and the other I restored for the National Building Museum book. The other print I have and the other negative are probably better images still, but I have never scanned or exposed them. Yet.

Best,

Eric

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Dear Bill,

Thank you. After a little cropping here we go - pretty close and the first night/day comparison I have seen actually. All of the ones we posted are very nice - I am at a loss for a favorite! Look at me - no visible watermark ;)

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Democracity day and night portions photographed from the same angle, collections of Bill and Eric :)

Best,

Eric

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Wow - the roads seem self-luminous - wonder if that effect was intended or only a side effect of making them visible in the night mode?

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Hi Wayne,

It was intended. The effect was achieved with paint which reacted to ultra-violet light which I guess came from under the balconies? The roads would have to be deliberately painted or we would not see them - there are plenty not illuminated - only the main arteries are lit. This display was said to very hard to photograph, and of course while moving etc. This was a staged shot created with "much difficulty" from the information on the reverse. I expect the curvature of the earth effect was much more realistic during the night portion, and I believe the whole thing probably looked much more realistic.

Best wishes,

Eric

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Hi Wayne,

It was intended. The effect was achieved with paint which reacted to ultra-violet light which I guess came from under the balconies? The roads would have to be deliberately painted or we would not see them - there are plenty not illuminated - only the main arteries are lit. This display was said to very hard to photograph, and of course while moving etc. This was a staged shot created with "much difficulty" from the information on the reverse. I expect the curvature of the earth effect was much more realistic during the night portion, and I believe the whole thing probably looked much more realistic.

Best wishes,

Eric

Thanks - UV light and fluorescent paint explains a lot about the appearance.

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Hi Wayne,

I wonder what the color or colors were! Anyone have any idea???? I would love to make a tint.

Best,

Eric

One of the most common and earliest developed colors would be a pale green, like "glow in the dark" toys or luminous watch dials. But really, there could have been many colors. Would be nice to find someone who knows.

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Doesn't the NYC Panorama currently use such an effect to some degree? Last I was there though (2-3 yrs ago?), the diurnal cycle was not running.

Kenner, I think, sold a bottle of pale green glow paint in the late 60s. I would mask a clear plastic box into tiny windows then paint the inside with the glow paint, glue it to a board with a bunch of others, voila, a miniature city nightscape.

Are we sure the roads were reflecting light or luminescing?

I'm just guessing here but there probably was not an age of miracles back in 1939, so I would wager the possible colors were confined to pale green or pale violet.

Has anyone been to a bowling alley lately? They do this wacky black light game that looks pretty exotic.

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A letter to the editor of Life printed July 24, 1939, from a Mr. Alexander Strobl, indicates that his Stroblite Fluorescent Colors (note plural) were used in Democracity.

LIFE - Jul 24, 1939 - Google Books Result

Vol. 7, No. 4 - 76 pages - Magazine

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Dear Wayne,

Wow! Thanks much!!! It must have been incredibly[/i[ beautiful. I wish there were some postcards that show it. The only thing I have seen is the the vignette on the ESC/Grinnell fold out packet and that is daytime. In the large embossed Grinnell litho souvenir book (I bought my first from Kenny) also has a superb image - but daytime again. And of course the program Your World of Tomorrow. I always pictured the greens and maybe some purplish colors at best. I suppose it really was difficult to photograph as the back of my new image says. I received it today - SHARP! Once the scanner is playing nice I will show more :) Thanks again very much for this info!

Best,

Eric

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Dear Wayne,

Wow! Thanks much!!! It must have been incredibly[/i[ beautiful. I wish there were some postcards that show it. The only thing I have seen is the the vignette on the ESC/Grinnell fold out packet and that is daytime. In the large embossed Grinnell litho souvenir book (I bought my first from Kenny) also has a superb image - but daytime again. And of course the program Your World of Tomorrow. I always pictured the greens and maybe some purplish colors at best. I suppose it really was difficult to photograph as the back of my new image says. I received it today - SHARP! Once the scanner is playing nice I will show more :) Thanks again very much for this info!

Best,

Eric

My guess is that photographs usually picked up the blacklight more than the fluorescent items - probably requiring panchromatic or orthochromatic film and a yellow filter, plus a long time exposure, to get the result you see.

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My guess is that photographs usually picked up the blacklight more than the fluorescent items - probably requiring panchromatic or orthochromatic film and a yellow filter, plus a long time exposure, to get the result you see.

So certainly then the "ride" was stopped for this photograph. I wish In knew where to star with a color tint.

Best,

Eric

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Hi Bill,

unusual angle, but why night? Look at the night photos at the start of the thread? They look very different.

Best,

Eric

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OOOOOH! :( I am sorry. I said it. I misread and thought I saw "night shot" - not "new shot". My apologies. It was wishful thinking...a color slide...

How was the book signing?

Best wishes,

Eric

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No problem.

The book signing? A complete disaster. There's a thread on it here. Trust me, don't ever agree to a book signing at a Costco.

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