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    Looks like they're banging on the machine to get their money back.
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    I believe it to be highly polished United States Steel sheeting provided by one of its subsidiaries, such as the National Tube Company, which supplied the Helicline's steel tubes. The Trylon was supplied by the Elmira, N.Y. plant of the American Bridge Company. The Perisphere's 2,050 tons of steel was fabricated at the Ambridge, Pennsylvania plant of the American Bridge Company. The underside surface shows well in this Kodachrome taken after 10 PM - when enlarged you can see how they are fixed:
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    I have one of those too ! And the view out from the top!
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    A sad shot from February 16, 1941 as demolition was underway on the Fair site. This was the formerly impressive Administration Building. I was surprised it was not kept as offices for the park.
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    I received the first mock-up of the cover to my new book. There's an extra comma that snuck onto the back cover, and this will actually be my 12th book for them, so some minor tweaking will be needed, but I was happy with it. They are still playing around with photos so it may change as we wrap the book up. Twelve days to go and happily on schedule! To my proofreaders - chapters 1-5 are now online!
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    Can't let this topic go without a mention of needing a person of the right caliber.
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    I disagree that you are disagreeing. LOL I think we agree. Pick the rose, which is a flower. rose singular is Pick the rose and the daisy, which are flowers. rose + daisy plural are Architecture is marvels, culture and cuisine, and architecture are In my opinion, the comma's gotta go. I'll be quiet now. (Good thing I'm not an editor)
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    The comma is after architecture in that sentence. Yes, this will be one of the longer B&W versions. Perhaps a third one in color someday but I'm just trying to survive this one right now. I lost a month out of my schedule when my dad passed away and I wanted to stick with the deadline so it's out for the Christmas shopping season, so it has made for some long days at times. Happily I *think* I'm on schedule. Actually, I need to get done a day earlier as on Schedule Day I'll be giving a talk at Disneyland!
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    I still remember how amazing it was when the host dropped down from the ceiling to begin the show.
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    Bill, you may not believe this, but I think the women in the lavender suit at the left edge of picture one is my mother. My Dad did not take any pictures from our one trip to the fair in 1964. So I have nothing to compare it to. Did you crop the picture at all? I would love to get a better look at her, maybe you can enlarge that section . Since I got back into the fair again 15 years ago I have been searching Photos that I have collected including your photo CD's for photos of a member of my family and this is the closest I have come. Please let me know . Steve
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    It could have been, if not for the fight between Moses and the BIE. Of course. for someone like me, with 6 days divided between the fair and the city, it would be impossible to see it all anyway. It was impossible for me to see everything that WAS there. Nevertheless, I'd have to echo Mae West's sentiment: "Too much of a good thing is...wonderful!"
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    I think the heaviest person in any of my photos would only look average today. Sad.
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    Jim, I agree! It's hard to find a single overweight person in any fair photos, unlike today, where obesity is the norm. And they really did dress a lot better.
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    That simple shadow brings the Fair back to life for one moment. Thank you!
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    Now that is too cool! I half expect it to starts spinning and take-off.
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    When I worked at Cape Kennedy I had a cartoon on the wall showing two astronauts in a Gemini capsule. The countdown was going on on a loudspeaker, "10-9-8..." and one of the astronauts said "You know, it just occurred to me me that this whole thing was built by the lowest bidder." Add that to claustrophobia and it's a wonder anyone got in!
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    Oh, I agree. The system worked beautifully and their equipment was bulletproof. We still have our original Trimline in use every day on the kitchen wall. We rented it for 9 years from the phone company, then when they broke up AT&T, we purchased it back from them. I think it was about $40 way back in the early 1980s, but they billed you in installments on your phone bill. Maybe if I keep it in use for 10 more years the color will come back into vogue. It's brown. And today, I swear, they must have ONE person working the directory assistance desk... but before you can get to that person, you have to select whether you want the latest sports scores, restaurant suggestions or movie times! In the old days, up here in the northeast, we'd lose power because of storms, but usually, the reliable telephone would still continue working through it all! With cell service, you just hope to maintain connection through a call. I must admit that our Comcast telephone service has been excellent. We saved $200 a month by switching our home and fax lines from Verizon local service coupled with ATT Long Distance, over to a two-line package deal with Comcast! No kidding, $200 a month savings!! Of course, Comcast is rapidly becoming the conglomerate of disdain. They own us, just like AT&T owned us... but without the incredible innovation that Bell created.
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    They were so powerful that they wouldn't even allow you to own a telephone, or run a wire in your own house. The epitome of corporate power.
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    In the '39 capsule, there's a padlock. Seems to be a strange item. A display of our mechanical knowhow?
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    When I was a Scout, I always wanted to stop an arterial bleeder. Never happened.
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    If that pavillion was active today...I'd imagine each of the humongous photos mounted on the buildings would be screens - there'd be a way to upload your "fair photos" to them (pre-secreened by employees first, of course). Maybe one would scroll live tweets about the fair as well as other social media postings to attract constant attention to the pavillion. The camera should would be an accesory shop full of fair branded holsters, memory cards,ear buds, power ports and other phone-camera related items.
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    Randy, it was me who visited the pavilion in the late 70's before it was demolished. There were huge heating and air conditioning units on the roof of the building. They were installed under the roof line in a "well" that was accessible from inside the building. I remember that my grandfather (who drove us to the park from Long Island) figured out how to get into this area while my friend and I managed to get up onto the roof. While we were up there we heard a bull horn in the distance. Thinking it was the police surrounding the building to nab us trespassers, we cautiously peered over each side of the building for the cops. When we saw no one, boy did we heave a big sigh of relief. It later turned out that the bull horn was from an event being held elsewhere in the park. But by that time my grandfather had had enough of creeping around a very dark and dangerous building (from all the vandalism). As to the outer walls, there were indeed a few holes in them where you could peek your head through and see the translucent panels that were by that time starting to show their age. The space between the panels and outer walls wasn't very wide if I recall correctly, but it did still contain all of the lighting fixtures that lit the panels from behind during the fair. By that time though, most of them had been smashed to smithereens by vandals. If my memory serves me right, the outer walls were made of something more durable than Sheetrock. I would imagine this was to make the building watertight, especially during the interim winter period between the fair seasons. As to the interior of the building, it was pretty well destroyed by that time. The area where the ride was during the fair was just a big empty cavern of a space, since the ride machinery and screens had been removed right after the fair closed. The area in your picture was totally destroyed. The Sheetrock walls had been punched through and spray painted in many areas. The floor was littered with all kinds of debris and the lighting fixtures were dangling from their mounts in the ceiling. It looked like vagrants and junkies were using this area of the building, although lucky for us we saw no one inside the building while we were exploring it. I remember picking up some chalk letters that someone had scraped off the wall. But unfortunately those and a couple of the fiberglass "United States" letters from one of the outside walls of the building that I retrieved on our way out were thrown away by my parents when they sold their home and retired (which was my fault for not retrieving them in time). While it was very exciting for this teenager to be able to go inside this very tangible relic of the fair, I also recall how sad it was to see such a great building being neglected and destroyed by vandals.
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    Several years ago in looking at aerial photos, we spotted big air conditioning units recessed into the roof. Fiberglass outer shell hung on the outside of the load-bearing steel frame; sheetrock hung on the inside of the steel frame. There was a report several years ago from somebody that they got into the building in the 70's when it was badly vandalized, and they said the sheetrock had been punched through in several places, and they could step through a hole in it to a 'walk space' where they could look right at the fiberglass panels, which were translucent. So that report implied that there was no insulation between the sheetrock and fiberglass panels. But if it was a big space enough between the layers to walk, something like a catwalk, it would have been VERY easy for workers to have come back later and put some insulation in there to reduce heating bills for winter use. In the studies for possible use as a college, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a section that evaluated exactly that and estimated the cost to do so. In photos from the 70's I don't see evidence of the fiberglass panels suffering winter freeze cracking or anything, although I'll bet they would need to be replaced every 25 years or so from radiation effects causing brittleness, which I think was what happened to the Kelwall roof at the New York State Pavilion. In any event, having lived much of my life in more southern latitudes, I guess I'm more used to buildings with outer walls which are *not* load bearing (pretty much banned by building codes anyway in earthquake susceptable zones). One other possibility for a thermal barrier is to make the area in between a big 'air pocket'. This would mean sealing the backside of the fiberglass panels and the backside of the sheetrock, both of which might be done with heavy duty moisture proof plastic like Bisqueen (or Visqueen, however it's spelled). I don't think it would have been a difficult engineering challenge.
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    Man, that is pathetic. Funny, much of the pavilion building actually survives today in Portland, Maine. It's interesting that they focused on antique implements when New England was busting with high-tech innovations at the time. Greater Boston's Rt. 128 Technology Region (now designated I-95) was the Silicon Valley of the 1960s. It's still big in high-tech and bio innovation. We recently saw, that the Dunfey Family had a restaurant at the pavilion. They were probably a big contributor to the fact that the New England even had a pavilion. The Dunfeys were big in the Sheraton Hotel franchise business. Anyway, I agree... enough with the farm implements! And Bill, the tornado thought was spot on! :D
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    I'll bet she'd love to have a copy of that! When my sister and I did our Arcadia books, we finally figured out that it was rarely the person who owned the business or ran the event who had photos of it. The lawyer had photos of the nearby drugstore and restaurant. The guy who owned the dairy didn't have photos of his milk trucks, but he DID have a photo of his 1940s high school cooking class (chef's hats and all). We had this happen over and over again as we interviewed people and searched for unique, rare and unusual views. I'll wager this girl has no idea this beautiful shot of herself even exists - documenting that once-in-a-lifetime summer job so long ago. That photo strikes me as if it would have made a fabulous National Geographic article photo.
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    It is known as an exedra and it was installed and dedicated in 1967, I believe. While it is a "memorial" of sorts to the Vatican Pavilion, it is far more to a group of devout Catholics who believe it is the site of a series of apparitions by Jesus and Mary to a woman named Veronica Leuken in the years 1975 through 1994. It is a rather complicated story and it begins with this woman's belief that Mary first came to her in her home as she (Veronica) was praying for Robert Kennedy in June of 1968 (Veronica lived in Bayside). She said she could smell roses when she opened a perfume bottle and that Mary came to her as an apparition. Local bishops did not believe or accept her story and over time, Veronica and those who did believe her (a growing number of Catholics in the NY metro area) gathered at the exedra in Flushing Meadow Park. The exedra would be covered with statues of Mary, vases and bouquets of roses, rosaries and the like. Mary was called Our Lady of the Roses and it seemed to many in the crowds that gathered at regular intervals at the exedra that Veronica was, indeed, experiencing something unusual (which the church calls ecstasy) when Mary appeared to her. Veronica died in 1995 and throughout the years she said she had Marian apparitions, the Brooklyn Diocese determined they were not legitimate and did not meet the "criteria" for such visions. See how technical this all becomes? In any event, there are those in the church, including the leadership of EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network), who believe the apparitions were real and that the Brooklyn Diocese did not follow proper protocol to determine their validity including an actual interview with Veronica. To this day, crowds gather at the exedra, pray the rosary and hold vigils in honor of Our Lady of the Roses. A group known as These Last Days Ministries says it has the actual messages given to Veronica by Mary (as dictated by Veronica). To those who believe this interesting story, the exedra is no mere memorial to a long vanished building. It is holy ground and they plan to continue gathering there to await one of her predictions--the appearance of a "healing spring of curative waters" on one of the sites (her church in Bayside or the exedra in FMCP) where she saw a vision of Mary. While a primary reason for the initial gathering at the exedra was because they were not welcome at her church (the bishop saw it all as disruption), they could freely gather at FMCP with no clerical interference and still be at a site that had once been consecrated by the church when the pavilion was built. What happened after that first gathering of the faithful I could not begin to explain nor would I presume to say it is not real. Whatever it is, those people believe Mary--Our Lady of The Roses--appeared to Veronican Leukin over a dozen times at the exedra site and left messages which will someday be revealed along with the hopeful promise of those curative waters.
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    John Neumann did not visit the Vatican pavilion. He could not have done so. He died in 1860. On October 13, 1963, he was beatified by Paul VI and then canonized on June 19, 1977. He was the creator of the diocesan school system for the Roman Catholic Church in the United States during his tenure as the bishop of Philadephia. Neumann faced serious opposition by anti-Catholic groups including the Nativist party better known as the Know-Nothings. That opposition took the form of actual violence and the torching of churches and convents. Once an individual is beatified he or she is referred to as "blessed." I am not certain why he was commemorated during that particular week but it may have been a part of the drive to urge the Vatican to continue the process toward sainthood. That is not uncommon. There was an active campaign for Kateri Tekakwitha a short time ago along with a campaign for the canonization of Mother Mary Anne Cope who founded two hospitals (one in Utica and one in Syracuse) and then went to Molokai to work at the leper colony. Both women were recently canonized. There is an on-line campaign to urge the Vatican to speed the process for Father Emil Kapuan, a Catholic chaplain who refused to leave wounded US troops when surrounded by enemy soldiers during the Korean War. Father Kapuan was recently awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor (April 11, 2013 by President Obama). He died in a POW camp in 1951 while ministering to and providing aid for fellow captives. Some of those surviving POWs have actively campaigned not only for the Medal of Honor but for his canonization. That effort to urge the pope to consider John Neumann may explain that banner. Regardless, that is who he was.
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    It just struck me that snapshots with a bad choice of photographic viewpoint for the main subject may be the most helpful to historians.
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    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-rolf-forsberg-tribute-20130608,0,2203853.story By Susan King, Los Angeles Times June 8, 2013 Several classic feature films such as 1961's "Breakfast at Tiffany's," 1950's "Born Yesterday" and 1983's "A Christmas Story" were among the 25 motion pictures selected last December for inclusion in the prestigious National Film Registry of the Library of Congress because they represent important achievements in filmmaking. But not every film was a familiar title. Also making the list was "Parable," a 20-minute religious allegorical silent short with music. "Parable" was the main attraction of the Protestant and Orthodox Center at the 1964 New York World's Fair. Commissioned by the New York City Protestant Council of Churches, "Parable" depicts Jesus Christ as a white-faced clown/mime, following a traveling circus on a small donkey. Christ takes on the sufferings of the circus workers, including women and minorities. Parable," written by Rolf Forsberg, who co-directed the film with Tom Rook, received laudatory reviews and subsequently earned honors at the 1966 Cannes, Venice and Edinburgh festivals. Forsberg, 87, will be appearing Saturday at the UCLA Film & Television Archive's tribute, "The Outre World of Rolf Forsberg" at the Billy Wilder Theater. Besides "Parable," the evening will feature three of his other short films: 1966's "Antkeeper," an allegory produced for the Lutheran Church in America, about an ant keeper who turns his son into an ant in order to save an ant colony; 1970's "Ark," another allegorical tale of a modern-day Noah that UCLA describes as an "expressionistic precursor" to the 1972 sci-fi cult favorite "Silent Running"; and 1972's "One Friday," which explores race relations. "His work falls somewhere north of the 'Twilight Zone' in terms of style and tone-bold visuals, tackling complex themes with enigmatic allegory and metaphor," said Mark Quigley, manager of the archive's research and study center, who privately submitted "Parable" for inclusion in the National Registry. Quigley is hosting Saturday's evening tribute. I think Forsberg's work is a unique fusion of arts cinema and classroom films," Quigley said. "While some of his films were sponsored by major organizations like the Lutheran church, the work is secular, independent and experimental." "Even if it looked like I was making their statement, I could make personal statements," said Forsberg, over the phone from his home in Sierra Madre. Filmmakers Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini and Marcel Carne were among Forsberg's inspirations for "Parable." He also credits French painter Georges Rouault as an influence: "He was a very religious man," said Forsberg. "He painted a lot of faces of Christ and he painted faces of clowns-their eyes were exactly the same." Forsberg decided to transform Christ into a white-faced mime "because that gave the audience the opportunity to project their own vision — their own image of Christ onto the face. That brought out their imaginations." And anger. Before "Parable," Jesus Christ had been traditionally portrayed in such religious epics as Cecil B. DeMille's 1927 "The King of Kings" and Nicholas Ray's 1961 remake and George Stevens' 1965 "The Greatest Story Ever Told." "Just the concept of using allegory and the character of a mime being a Christ-type figure — nothing had really been done like that before on such a public scale," said Quigley. "People were uncomfortable with the idea." One minister, said Forsberg, threatened to riddle the screen with bullets if the film was shown. "We got a threat from Consolidated Edison," added Forsberg. "An executive there said if the film was shown, he would cut off electricity. Robert Moses, who was the head of the fair, objected to it. And he was a very powerful man." But cooler heads prevailed and "Parable" became one of the most popular attractions at the fair. "It's had a very long life in 16-mm distribution to civic groups and churches," said Quigley. Forsberg is still amazed at his little film's longevity. "We had no idea that there was going to be life for the film after the fair," he said.
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    Well, by the late autumn of 1962, John XXIII was showing symptoms of illness that would take his life six months later. I don't know if one can say that his death was not anticipated. He anticipated it and spoke of it. What many of those in the Church did not anticipate is John's mission to bring reform. He said he wanted to throw open the doors and windows of the Church. And he did. That was the objective of Vatican II. The idea of sending the Pieta to the pavilion in NYC was in keeping with his goal of reaching out to all he could. Oddly enough, as everyone knows, the Pieta suffered no problems while enroute in both directions and while in NY. Its troubles happened when a lunatic attacked it with a hammer once it was back in the confines of St. Peter's.
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    I was only 8 when I went to the World's Fair, but I can remember standing in front of the Equitable population counter, and wonder if I fell over dead right then, if the count would go down by one. I thought maybe they had electronic feeds from every hospital in the country, keeping up with every birth and death accurately. :D
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    Who would have thought, in 1965, that the very survival of the postal service would be in question fifty years later? I teach college students who do not have a clue how to address an envelope. They have never sent or received a post card. They do not write letters. They pay all bills on line. They have never received paper bank statements. Newspapers are archaic. Most have never subscribed to a hard copy of a magazine. They have never even received paper grade reports. They are unaware that the postal service issues commemorative stamps nor do they have any idea what a stamp might cost. Everything is on line. It is difficult for me to fully grasp, but our postal service is on borrowed time as are postal systems all over the globe. I believe I even read that the British Royal Mail Service may be sold to a private carrier.
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    When I had my display up in 2004 it was in four or five smallish glass cases at the library. They were always locked, but beyond that there wasn't really any sort of security measures. Of course most of my collection was made up of more common landfill (with a few nicer pieces mixed in, but nothing like this stuff). It never even occurred to me to ask about insurance or anything like that. I would have been very disappointed (obviously) if anything had been lost, stolen of damaged. I'd definitely ask the library their thoughts on security, insurance, etc. for your rare items bagels. Hopefully they already have something in place for displays like this. If not, hopefully they'll be understanding that this stuff has some real value beyond just being "old stuff" and be wiling to work with you to keep it safe and sound. Will be looking forward to seeing photos of the display if/when it happens! Good luck!
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    Speaking of scrapping artwork here is a sad story. A young artist named Kenneth Snelson was commissioned to create two tube-structures for the '64-65 'Tower of Light' pavilion. Then, by surprise, I received a commission to make art, to build two sculptures for the 1964 New York World's Fair at the Electric Power and Light Pavilion. Fortune magazine's Sculptures to Build With, had been noticed and in this case the question, Sculptures vs.to build with, was pre-decided. They wanted sculptures, not buildings which I would have had no idea how to begin in any case. I was excited since it was my first opportunity to construct big works that would be seen in public. One was a seventy-foot high three-way, straight, tower, far bigger and more massive than anything I had done so far, plus it was going to be illuminated by a twelve-billion! candle-power shaft of light pointed straight up through the tower's central axis. I was to be part of the Brightest Show On Earth, as advertised by the PR people. The second sculpture, was a complex translation of X-modules thirty-five feet wide, that would stand over the entrance to the Pavilion. Here was a completely new experience. I made exact scale-models and had my arcuate-lip cableadjusting hubs made by sand-casting. I found a polishing plant and an anodizer to finish the aluminum tubes. In the studio I cut and fixed ends on the hundreds of carefully measured stainless aircraft cables. Then came the trial assemblies. I put the entrance sculpture together in the loft and then the tower, lying on its side. (Fig 10). Finally, a few weeks before the opening date, everything was shipped to the Fair grounds for a remarkably smooth installation. It had taken all of ten months. And I was getting paid! The commission covering fabrication and everything totaled $20,000. Quite a lot of money! (Fig 10a) [A photo exists showing one of the two sculptures being lifted by helicopter and flown over the Statue of Liberty on its way to Flushing Meadow.] A month earlier a reporter from the New York Times, Gay Talese, came to the loft to interview the artist at work; and amazingly, two days later, the article with a photograph of me appeared on the front page. Talese said an artist named Kenneth Snelson shares his dark, dusty, loft with what appears to be a gigantic grasshopper. Upon closer inspection, however, it is a modern structural design...; With the pride of a famous son, I mailed the Times clipping to my mother in our hometown of Pendleton, Oregon. She immediately passed the article on to the town's newspaper, the East Oregonian, which announced that native Pendleton artist Kenneth Snelson had created a gigantic grasshopper for the New York World's fair. A Fair's carnival-environment with so much to see was not the greatest location for an artist hoping that visitors would take a moment to admire and to contemplate truth and beauty. When the lights were turned off a year-and-a-half later and everything was taken apart I was a little sad it was all over but 1964 had been a valuable learning experience. A few days after the closing, a man phoned me at home to say he had just purchased my two sculptures. I was taken by surprise since I had not thought much about where they would find a home after the Fair came down. I told my new collector that I would be glad to come there and help him take the sculptures apart. "No problem," he said. "we've cut the wires so they're already apart. I deal in scrap and I wonder if you happen to remember the alloy of the aluminum tubes?" http://kennethsnelso...rityArticle.pdf
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    Ah, that all makes sense. You can't tell what's in the bucket in the photo. I know some modern fire companies still use these. About 10 years ago a fire department let someone's house burn down since they hadn't signed up for the service. The homeowner wanted to pay right then but they said no, that if only the people who needed them signed up they couldn't afford to keep running the trucks. It was a sad thing to read about from the human side but unfortunately made sense from the business side. Happily I'm not in an area where I have to worry about that.
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    From Antiques Digest: Have you ever looked at the side of an old building-and seen a plate or plaque nailed securely to the wall? Have you ever wondered what it was? Well, chances are good that it was a fire mark, telling firemen that this building was insured by the company whose name or emblem was illustrated on the plaque. The fire mark was placed on the outside of a building so that the fire brigade-and anyone else interested-would know that the building was insured and by which company. Fire marks were always placed on the outside of a building. They are usually to be found on an old building between the first and second floors rather than on the ground floor, because this prevented the fire mark from being destroyed or removed by pranksters or children. However, in towns along the rivers, the treasure hunter must search as high as six stories up for the fire mark, which was placed so high because of the floods which are common in some river towns. Located well above the water line of the highest possible flood stage, the fire marks were in plain view at all times and the firemen could easily tell who insured the building. Fire marks were first used in Europe, where they have been known for almost three hundred years, but in both Europe and America each company adopted its own particular fire mark. In Europe, in the early days of their history, the fire marks identified property insured by a particular company, so that the insurance companies, which had their own fire brigades, could put out fires on properties which were marked by their own particular fire mark. American fire marks were first used in the 1750's although even before then America had organized methods of fire fighting. In 1696 bucket brigades were formed. In 1718 the first fire engine was brought over from London; and in 1721 we find a public chimney sweep appointed, although this was in the line of fire prevention rather than fire fighting. In 1735 the first fire brigade was formed, and in 1752 the first American fire insurance company was formed. In America, the fire brigades knew that the insurance company, whose mark was on a building, would reward the fire brigade which successfully put out the fire. And if two or more brigades showed up to put out the fire, many times fights broke out among the firemen, with bloody noses and black eyes attesting to their claim that their brigade, and their brigade alone, was the one which put out the fire. Many times the fights took place-with each brigade using their fists to prove that they got there first with the best men and the best equipment-while the fire raged on. Sometimes the building burned down before the fire fighters stopped fighting each other. If the brigades arrived at a building which did not have a fire mark-they turned around and went home, and the building burned merrily down. Probably what they were selling at the New England Country Store, were reproductions of early American insurance fire marks.
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    Really! The more I read from architecture critics, the less I respect them. I suppose such rhetoric is necessary to help them keep their jobs.
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    Maybe he didn't forget and wanted to save the view for posteriorirty.
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    You don't have the Robert Moses action figure? I thought everybody had one of those. I can't be the only one. ....... (just kidding )
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    This shot of two kids looking at a stuffed buffalo is pretty interesting by itself, especially as a buffalo on a golf cart is something you don't see every day. It gets more interesting, though, when you look at the kids themselves. Both of them are proudly holding their Mold-a-Rama dinosaurs, with Sinclair stickers on their shirts. Can you just imagine what a ball they were probably having at the Fair that fine day in August, 1965? I wonder if they still think of the Fair at all today.
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    This says more about the parents than the kids. You mean the parent can't pull their kid around the park without their MP3 player? It says they're doing it NOW while wearing headphones so they don't have to listen to their kid whining. Okay, so maybe ditching the headphones and going with speakers mounted in the wagon is positive step, albeit tiny. Drinkholders? I think that's more what parents THINK is cool than what the kids themselves really want or need. Maybe they've done their surveys and all, but I don't remember the primary purpose of red wagons being to pull the kid around the park, or a spin around the neighborhood. It was kids pulling each other, or kids pulling a wagon with their dolls or toys in it, and just a couple of years further along, tying the wagon behind their bike and pulling it around. There were a million and one innovative uses of red flyer wagons that kids came up with, WITHOUT their parents interference. (to say nothing of, when the kid grew up and left the nest, the old red wagon was still usable to carry around the gardening tools. Not any more I guess.) I remember kids in our neighborhood turning over their wagons sideways to play cowboys and indians during an 'indian attack', just like they saw the settlers doing on the TV shows with their conestoga wagons. I guess that would be politically incorrect today. :( and I don't know how many times I've gone down a hill in a red wagon with the pull bar tilted back toward me to steer. You couldn't do that in one of these wagons with seats pointed the way they are. Bottom line, they should have surveyed the kids and not the parents.
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    I wish I had a National Wholesale Liquidators near me. While I wouldn't want to pay twenty bucks a pop I'd be happy to pay anyone for whatever copies they could pick up for me as well (including shipping and a little extra for the service of course!). I have most of the later progress reports but am lacking in the early ones. Speaking of the early progress reports (and sorry to drift off topic a bit), I recently was searching our local library network catalog to see if anyone had that PBS 1964 World's Fair show (narrated by Judd Hirsch) in DVD. I have it in VHS but was wondering if there were any special features on the DVD that would make it worth picking up. Anyway, while doing a search on the onine catalog I found out that the library I work in (Worcester Public Library) actually has a copy of Progress Report Number 1 (!) in our closed stacks!!! To think, I've been working here nearly seven years and didn't realize that I could have read a copy of the first report that we have right in our basement! Here it is in the catalog: http://cmars.cwmars.org/search?/X1964+worl...=D&3%2C3%2C The description seems to indicate that it's number 8, but I went down to check it out and it is inded number 1.
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    You don't know me, Hoodlock. I'm almost exclusively a glass is half-full kinda guy. The image of Ray happily buzzing beneath the Tent on his Segway is almost enough to keep me optimistic about the future of the human race altogether, not to mention the New York State Pavilion-- and I genuinely hope I'm wrong about the structure's impending demise. But as someone fond of citing facts and statistics-- I think even you would be hard pressed to come up with any real evidence of Parks intention to save the NYSP. And frankly, even if you could, there's an overwhelmingly large pile of molding, rusting, cracked, and deteriorating concrete and steel sitting over in FMCP that screams otherwise. Do I think it's in any imminent danger of collapsing and sinking into the former ash dump as others have frighteningly predicted? No. The sky is not falling... the ground is perfectly firm beneath its aching feet. And just to be clear... the last thing I want to see in the World of Tomorrow is the NYSP crashing down. But my reaction is less about thunderous rhetoric and more about the appalling silence which surrounds the Tent and Towers. It's been going on for 43 years... and will continue until somebody at Parks is finally "brave" enough to decide it's time to pull another Aquacade and bring it down as swiftly as possible in the name of "public safety." Plus I stood there and looked at it for a good long time yesterday. And you gotta understand... I'm a romantic. I really and truly am. But it's a mess. It really and truly is. If I'm right... and backroom dealings finally bring it down... I'll take absolutely no pleasure and be right there with PTU waving an angry fist at all those in power whose collective neglect and lack of creative foresight are directly responsible. But if I'm wrong... I promise to buy each and every one of you breakfast before we watch Ray do wheelies on the Terazzo. And I'll make absolutely sure those eggs are sunny-side up!
  45. 1 point
    I think only the first capsule can lay claim to Cupaloy, Doug. By the mid-60's, the world's Cupaloy mines had been thoroughly tapped out and capsule engineers were forced to switch to cheaper, but shinier Kromarc!
  46. 1 point
    If anybody is wondering why several of us are observing that the '64-65 display was "disappointing", take a look at these pictures from earlier incarnations of the Elsie display. I've even seen one picture where Elsie & Elmer's "living room" had books on the shelf that all had titles having to do with cows. You'd think with all the technology available in '64, Borden could have come up with something that would have blown away earlier attempts- instead it looks like they just stuck a cow behind an elementary-school drama curtain that had flowered pots painted on it, and called it a day. Boo!!! (or make that Mooooooo!!!!) I wonder if Beauregard was trained to answer arithmetic questions using that abacus built into his crib in the second picture?
  47. 1 point
    Not long ago, I discovered another major facet to my participation in PTU and nywf64.com. In a recent conversation, I heard myself say that "I spend a part of every day in 1964". I actually did a double-take when I said it because it profoundly struck me that I truly feel that way! Seeing Vinnie's Mastro cup and remembering back to when a reasonable serving of soda was 8 or 10 ounces - and a LARGE coke was maybe 12 oz. (small by today's standards) .... pondering that I can't remember seeing even one "No Smoking" sign in the hundreds of WF photos we've seen .... reliving a time when pizza was a novelty... not one photo of someone talking on a cell phone... and a thousand other things that have changed since I was 12! I don't mean that I just enjoy the nostalgia - I mean that I can let myself almost drift into being there again! I know many of you can, too. Sounds sappy, but as we've all said before... I LOVE THIS PLACE!
  48. 1 point
    There seems to be a pretty tight corrolation between how the Fair effected a person's life, and the amount of time they spent inside the gates. Very few people beyond a close radius of Queens were able to make multiple multi-day trips to the Fair, so that feeling is usually found only in NYC metro-area residents (or those who lived there at the time). There are a few of us who don't qualify to that degree but have learned or studied about the Fair since, but I'm sure it still doesn't evoke the same sense of excitement that personal experience yielded. Psychologists would probably call it emotional 'bonding'. "I bonded with the Fair back in the '60's". Reinforcement by frequent drive-bys on your way to Met games or taking the LIRR past the park, or attending tennis matches, all serve to reinforcement the emotional bond as well and keep the memories on the front burner. Without that reinforcement the memories get foggier over the decades until all that's left are tidbits like boat rides and getting in a convertible. I admit that's all I had left until about four years ago- I vaguely remember going up an escalator after a long wait in line to go on a ride at one of the auto manufacturer exhibits (later figured out that that was Ford), getting a metal bend-back pin on exiting from an auto manufacturer ride (later figured out that was GM), getting a molded green brontosaurus from a make-it-in-front-of-you machine (somehow I did remember that that was Sinclair)- and so on- scattered memory tidbits. I remembered a giant tire ferris wheel, even though I didn't ride on it, and that there was a suspended monorail which I didn't ride on, and those cool personal taxis which I didn't ride on either. Oh yes, when I later heard a sound recording of the Escorter horn jingle- the Greyhound theme music- it's funny but it went to a deep corner recess in my brain and directly tied to a memory of begging and pleading and hearing a firm parental 'no, we can't afford it!'. Leave the driving to us indeed! As a 9 year old, I thought those Escorters were SO mesmerizing with their horn music and everything, but I could only watch them ferry around the elite, privileged class while I looked on in envy. Instead, our family walked everywhere and saw just free stuff. When the gates closed that night in '65 I feld a lot like that kid wiped out in the stroller- we got to our station wagon in the Shea parking lot (I remember looking at the stadium quite clearly)- I climbed into the back seat and don't remember anything else 'til waking up in the early morning hours as dad cruised into our apartment's parking lot in a suburb of Washington, DC. Again, emotional responses that are deepest felt and frequently reinforced seem to be the ones that are recalled easier than other memories, even though what was deepest felt as a child may seem comparitively trivial to an adult- that's the memory that's there regardless. By the way, my mom- now age 69- remembers going to the World's Fair that day, but doesn't remember ANYTHING about what we saw inside the gates. Even looking at my collection of postcards didn't trigger any memories with her. I think she might have recalled the Unisphere, but that's about it. Our family has been around the world in the decades since, but never back to FMCP. We haven't lived anywhere within a thousand miles of FMCP.
  49. 1 point
    Up until 1997, I really had not given the Fair a second thought. The only real memories I had were from the 10 minutes of home movies from the 4 visits we made. But when I got a computer and got onto the internet, I somehow happened upon Jeffrey Stanton's NYWF site. I started reading and all of a sudden memories started flooding back to me. I then started to learn to navigate the internet and websites by searching for more material on the Fair. I eventually found Bill's site, and the rest is history. So I myself did not even know the impact this Fair had on me until many, many years later. [This message has been edited by Elizabeth Klug (edited 11-12-2003).]
  50. 1 point
    quote:Originally posted by c318137: Expectations versus Reality department PTU Nut question: Mexico Pavilion or Spain Pavilion? And was this 1964 or 1965, and if '64 was it prior to July or after? And how much were they asking for that doll in the pink dress on the top shelf? Answer by kid (now age 45): I was just a kid who didn't know nuthin' from nuthin'. I don't even remember this place. I probably wasn't even looking through the window at the stuff, but checking my reflection in the glass to see if that booger was still hangin' outa my nose that my older brother was always ridin' me about. Or pouting because my dad wouldn't buy me a ticket for either the Monorail OR an Escorter ride. This is so true! I found out recently that a cousin of mine visited the fair. That cousin is about 15 years older than I am. I looked at her with great anticipation as I spoke of the fair. I expected stories of Bel-gem waffle quaffing, and magic skyway riding. I looked to her for anecdotes on the prices of souvenirs. I anticipated her loving details of some item she bought and held on to. I wondered what small thing she might speak of that I, and maybe anyone here (although that would be a long shot), had never heard of. My cousin looked at me quizzically and asked "You mean there was a giant tire?" She didn't remember a thing.