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  2. Legacies can be ANYwhere

    Some news about the Ford dealership that was based on the Ford Pavilion: https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/dec/12/stringers-wrecking-ball-drew-ford-roundhouse/#
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  4. Jim, its not that the Fair Corporation had any plans to retain the US Pavilion or the NYS Pavilion. The decision to retain both of those buildings was decided by a committee that was headed by city officials reporting to Mayor Wagner. Federal and State officials pushed for their retention respectively against Moses wishes. In the case of the US Pavilion, the Federal government never paid for the utility services it consumed during the fair despite the Fair Corporations many attempts to collect the balance due up to the time the fair closed. Once the fair agreed to accept a reduced amount on that account, then the government told the Fair Corp. that if they paid the utility bill balance there would be no money left for demolition. In the case of the NYS Pavilion, Governor Rockefeller basically told the City that the pavilion was originally planned as a permanent structure and was to be a gift to the people of New York. Done deal. In effect, politicians that had more political capital at the time made those decisions. Of course once the park was returned to Parks Department control on June 3, 1967, it was up to the city to maintain and preserve these structures. This is what I wrote about these two buildings (as well as 8 others) in an article titled "An Almost Fond Farewell Before the Show Even Started" back in 2005, which can be found on Bill Young's nywf64.com website. New York State – Surprising enough the fair records indicate that in 1966 the State of New York and the City of New York “told” fair officials that this building was to be a gift to the people of New York. The files contain no structural evaluations and there was very little discussion amongst fair officials about this decision. This obviously was a very political issue and even Robert Moses himself did not feel compelled to dispute this decision and as such it was accepted as fact by the fairs officials. At this point the fair corporation proceeded with the small amount of work necessary to convert the building for some kind of park use after they received assurances from the state government that the necessary funds would be made available to pay for the work. United States Pavilion – This is where the records really get interesting. By far there was more discussion and documentation about the retention of this structure after the fair than any other building noted in the files. As early as 1963 fair officials were adamant about their desire not to see this building retained in the park after the fair. Though at some point during 1964 it seemed that the New York Board of Education expressed a serious interest in the building even though Moses once again expressed his view that a city park was no place for a school. Once again proposals were made and opinions voiced. The records clearly document that through much of 1964 and well into 1965 many meetings were held where various state and federal officials weighed in on this subject with no clear decision as to the buildings fate being made. At various times in mid 1965 the idea of using the building for a presidential library was proposed as well as a federal office building! It doesn’t seem that Moses objected to the library idea but he positively had a fit over the office building idea! But looming as a bigger issue now was the fact that the U.S. government had neglected to pay for any of the electric and water service to the building from the date the utilities were turned on back in 1963. By the time the fair corporation began in earnest to pursue the government for payment of the bill it totaled almost $215,000.00! Bearing in mind that the fair was working to put its financial affairs in order due to the fact that it desperately needed as much money as it could lay its hands on fair officials spent a considerable amount of time corresponding back and forth with various government officials about the validity of the bill and the need for it to be paid. Each time pressing a little with one official and then another as they worked their way up the government food chain. At one point the government flat out told the fair that they thought the bill was excessive where as Moses countered with a press release slamming the government for failing to pay its bills in a timely fashion and throwing in for good measure that the government had also not allotted any money in its budget for demolition of the building. Behind the scenes though fair officials countered with numerous meter readings and various contract verbiage in a desperate attempt to collect on this large bill. Finally, fair officials relented and reduced the bill to approximately $197,000.00 which the government finally paid in October 1965 just as the fair was preparing to close its gates! The government’s correspondence during this period indicate that $125,000.00 was budgeted for utilities and that $72,000.00 would need to be transferred from the demolition reserve fund to pay the agreed amount. While this dispute was being worked out it seems that the Board of Education lost interest in the building once again due to the high cost of upgrading the structure to then current building codes. An earlier study had estimated the total cost of conversion at $3,761,000.00. By this time though it seems that miraculously whatever remaining demolition funds the U.S. government had set aside for this purpose were no longer available. I speculate that this was due in large part to under budgeting and the belief on the government’s part that maybe, somehow water and electric were free for them at the fair! As such (as would be the case with the New York State pavilion) in January 1966 the people of New York got another unexpected gift this time courtesy of our government with control of the building being turned over to the parks department in September 1966. It is at this point that the fair corporation simply washed their hands of any responsibility or involvement with the building even though at the time they were still very actively involved and in control of the rest of the park as they proceeded with the final phases of the restoration work. As a side note to this issue as late as mid 1967 Sam Lefrak, the developer of Lefrak city in Queens proposed creating an art museum in the building and was aggressively pursuing this plan of action in hopes of having the museum ready for the rededication of the park in June of that same year. Obviously nothing ever came of his idea and as such the building was to sit empty until the city finally put this once magnificent structure out of its misery and demolished it in the late 1970’s.
  5. Thank you so much folks, this is exactly the kind of insight my research wasn't throwing up. I really do appreciate it! If I ever get the chance to chat to him again I'll see if any of these jog his memory to clarify it. I think "To Be Alive" sounds very much like the film he was trying to remember.
  6. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    Sorry, but it's definitely not Bali Hai or any variation on it - only the first three notes are similar. This one drives me crazy because I have heard it but don't know the name. Edit: I think most versions were played at a speedier tempo, giving it a latin/tango sound.
  7. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    It could be the overture to South Pacific
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  9. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    Randy, "Bali Hai" does not appear to be the song itself, but perhaps some of the scene music that followed the song? The only statement of the familiar tune is at the end of Bill's recording, but one can also discern similarities in the falling notes that run through most of the recording. I haven't seen the movie in decades, so I'm just supposing.
  10. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    Tape 2 Hour 3 Track 20 is Rogers & Hammerstein's *Bali Hi*, from South Pacific.
  11. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    1-1-track2.mp3 The United States Army Band March
  12. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    I downloaded a couple of music ID apps to my phone, but they managed to come up with only one title on the easy-listening tape: 2-1-track19.mp3 - The Bluebells of Scotland (identified using phone app Soundhound) (composer: Leroy Anderson, Orchestra: unidentified) Surprisingly, a couple of march IDs popped right up. Will have to try more after lunch: 1-3-track5.mp3 The Conqueror (ID via Soundhound) 1-4-track3.mp3 Billboard March - John Klor (ID via Soundhound)
  13. Given that the only purpose of the towers was to provide an illuminated simulation of the rotation of the earth to the millions of Fairgoers who were there after dark every day for two years.... and park planners didn't expect too many park visitors after dark once they reopened in 1967..... to say nothing of the cost of maintaining and securing all that projection equipment.... I'm sure the demise of the towers was preplanned and had nothing to do with foundation stability concerns. I'm also skeptical that pilings which were good-to-go in 1963 were suddenly rotten just three years later. Today- 50 years later- such a discovery wouldn't be surprising.
  14. According to that 2001 exchange of ideas about wooden pilings and the Unisphere, Hoodlock pointed out that the lighting towers were removed by the Shamrock Wrecking Company. He never indicated, one way or another, whether there was a post Fair discussion about retaining the towers or removing them. His point, as I re-read his entry, was to emphasize that the pilings supporting the towers were in "an advanced stage of rotting and would need to be recapped." He added that "this was too costly" and the wrecking company was hired. Craig, it must be that the towers were already scheduled for demolition and, at that time, it was discovered how rotten the pilings had become. It is remarkable to consider the Fair Corporation was concerned about potential vandalism to the lighting towers but left two enormous pavilions, which had never been planned to be permanent, as sitting ducks. Hoodlock's first entry about those pilings was recorded on this site on September 8, 2001.
  15. I know from my own research in the Fair Corporation records, that it was never part of the plan to retain the Unisphere lighting towers for the following reasons: 1) The Parks Department didn't want the responsibility or cost associated with maintaining such an elaborate lighting setup. In fact, the Parks Department specified that all special lighting effects were to be removed from the post fair parks roadways and fountains/pools. To that end, there was a specific demolition contract let for fountain and pool conversion/removal that took into account the salvage value of all lighting units, timers, pumps, nozzles and where appropriate replacement with equipment that complied with the Parks Departments requirements. 2) The risk of vandalism to the lighting fixtures. 3) The salvage value of the fixtures and steel towers helped to offset the costs of preparing the Unisphere and its surrounding fountains for the post fair park above the $100,000 that U.S. Steel agreed to contribute for this work.
  16. Ad of the Day

    Ad copy "model electronic roadway" says to me that the diorama was not itself electronic, but was depicting an electronically guided road. This was a common futuristic idea trotted out by the big electronics companies (RCA in particular) as well as auto companies at the time. If RCA was doing it, Norelco likely would have also. The mention in Boy's life sounds like something different, perhaps TV projector based displays, as Randy surmises.
  17. "...one of the big hits in New York was a theatre, Circarama which was a Hungarian design originally and it was really good and the film that showed in there was really human and about people and everything else like that." I'd guess this is a confused memory of the Johnson Wax film "To Be Alive," which certainly fits the description of the content, and was directed by Alexander Hammid, who was born in Austria-Hungary: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0352413/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm The Johnson Wax theater was not a circle, but a wide three-panel screen. The Golden Rondelle theater is now located in Racine, Wisconsin, and is open for public tours and showings of "To Be Alive," now remastered and preserved in digital high definition. http://www.scjohnson.com/en/company/visiting.aspx Search "Golden Rondelle" on this site (worldsfaircommunity.org) for more info in past threads.
  18. He used to tell me about the big German zeppelin coming to Akron to and from the World's Fair. They stopped in Akron for engine servicing because the Zeppelin Co. had a relationship with Goodyear.
  19. Hello, This link should include all the "The World A Million Years Ago" photos. https://photos.app.goo.gl/97lyys6q0hoLMGvP2
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  21. CTC, Do you have the Google link from the first post still available, is it one of the newer links you provided?
  22. Having grown up in the Akron/Canton area and gone to college at Kent, I know the factories from Akron. Such great histories, companies, and people from there. I think I can imagine how your grandfather felt when he traveled to the fair to see this exhibit.
  23. Dreaming about going to the World's Fair in San Francisco..... (I don't think anybody would dream about traveling cross country in a bus any more LOL )
  24. Ad of the Day

    In a 1970 or 1971 issue of Boy's Life magazine, there are descriptions of "Norelco Electronic Dioaramas"- said to be able to reproduce any geologic age or era, and museum quality.... but also implying that students could use them to make their school diorama projects. So I'm a little confused on what their product was, but is it just a coincidence that they had an exhibit in the BLC just a few years earlier, with exactly the same name? Maybe this was a forerunner of digital projection equipment, rather than an actual reach-out-and-touch-it diorama.
  25. Better Living Center #1: Looking Around

    As Randy mentioned, we have found many but not all of the exhibits. It was nothing special by any means. It was sort of like an Ikea store; they carried you up to the top level and then there was a maze between all of the exhibitors, winding you past them on your way out. Once you were in there you were stuck seeing them all. I'm not sure many people went more than once.
  26. How about Jetarama?
  27. Better Living Center #1: Looking Around

    We have lots of interior pictures, including Borden/Elsie but not every exhibit. No photos yet of the slot cars or mini golf, or Wink. Canada Dry, yes.
  28. World's Fair Game Pieces

    I have the World's Fair board game (the Milton Bradley game where the "board" is really a game sheet), and I think a few of the cards are missing. The cards were of exhibits at the fair. Does anyone have a list of the cards that originally came with the game (and any other pieces, for that matter - although I think everything else is there)? Thanks so much!
  29. World's Fair Game Pieces

    I have the World's Fair board game (the Milton Bradley game where the "board" is really a game sheet), and I think a few of the cards are missing. The cards were of exhibits at the fair. Does anyone have a list of the cards that originally came with the game (and any other pieces, for that matter - although I think everything else is there)? Thanks so much!
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