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Clean the film, transfer it to vhs or dvd, and put in on youtube!!!!!

Long live the dame of the sea. It's amazing, I didn't even know about this ship until 1999/2000, and yet I found a great love for it. Luckily much of its artwork is now in storage. I wouldn't doubt ebay auctions from items from the ship once the bow is cut off and the crew can get inside the ship. Too bad that aft funnel couldn't be part of a maritime museum.

I;m trying to think is the QE2 basically the only classic transatlantic liner left?

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is the QE2 basically the only classic transatlantic liner left?

The more recent Queen Mary 2 is also a transatlantic liner. See here: <a href="http://www.qm2-uk.co.uk/" target="_blank">QM-2</a>

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A lot of liners provide limited (seasonal) transatlantic service- mainly single "repositioning" voyages between seasons, but I think QE2 and QM2 might be the only remaining vessels that were designed primarly with translatlantic and 'roud-the-world' voyages in mind.

Many others might be similar size, but were designed with the Caribbean/Alaska/Mediterranean/North European cruise markets in mind, where there are frequent ports of call and overall cruise length (in time) is usually shorter than a transatlantic voyage.

As far as I know there are no longer any regularly scheduled transpacific cruises, not with major passenger liners anyway.

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Maverik thank you so much for providing that information. I had heard of the oceanic but hadn't looked into it.

I still don't know much about it but I found the cruise site for it and reviewed the ship itineraries etc. Feel free to PM as to how you got this great deal with airfare. I'd give up my anual trips to FL for this. It's a bargain!

The ship looks like it is once again in its original color scheme exluding blue painted funnel.

The interiors look like they were redone in 2002, but is the majority of the ship very 1963 blended in?

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I booked through a travel agency in Luxembourg, but that was before I found pricing and schedules at http://www.travelinstyle.com, one of the few US agencies that can book a cruise with this Spanish cruise line (Pullmantur Cruises). I spoke with a helpful agent at this website named Omar, and he can help you. If you look at the website, the inside staterooms start very low in price certain trips, and get lower as you add third and fourth occupancy. (3'rd and 4'th passengers get 60% discount). Add this to 10% early booking discount (I just booked for March), and no matter how many times you do the math, it unbelievably comes to just over $400 US per person, all included. Be advised, this is for the inner staterooms, but who stays in their cabins for long anyway? Great itenerary, too! I found round trip airfare from Boston to Barcelona on Orbitz for $585 a person, and there you have it... $1000 per head for a week on the Oceanic in the Mediteranean. Yes, the color has been restored and her name given back to her. There is some decor from the Disney era from what I understand, but a lot of her original artwork still adorn her stairwells, and her signature freeform pools and retractable magrodome are still intact. She is also a steamer, very rare these days.

Maverik thank you so much for providing that information. I had heard of the oceanic but hadn't looked into it.

I still don't know much about it but I found the cruise site for it and reviewed the ship itineraries etc. Feel free to PM as to how you got this great deal with airfare. I'd give up my anual trips to FL for this. It's a bargain!

The ship looks like it is once again in its original color scheme exluding blue painted funnel.

The interiors look like they were redone in 2002, but is the majority of the ship very 1963 blended in?

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Hi All,

I don't know if you guys are aware, but the QE2 will make her final crossing soon. To me. she is the last of the old liners - but still quite removed from her predecessors.

I include a scan of something I just added to my collection of liner memorabilia that I thought you guys might like to see with all this liner talk - a bit of surviving history

It is a rare section of moulding from the First Class Lounge aboard Mauretania. It was carved from old growth African Mahogany, and is finely polished and detailed with gold/bronze paint. It was entirely handcarved (perhaps by the 100 Palestinian carvers Cunard imported for the job) and was installed sometime in mid 1907. In the first scan below, the B/W of the Lounge in 1927, you can see a door in the distance on the Port side looking forward to the Grand Entrance and Library beyond. The color inserts show the Lounge as it exists today in Bristol. This moulding was originally used around the doors, the light fixtures along the sides and along the bays seen in the first scan - the main ceiling around the dome had a different pattern. The door seen in the first scan had a gold "M" above it (now in Bristol - see insert) - the Starboard forward entrance (opposite) was decorated with the Cunard rampant lion seen in the second detail photograph taken at Bristol - and the moulding scan has been inserted in color to show where the pattern was used. Last scan is a detail of my section. It has never been cleaned since removal.

Mauretania was retired on September 26th, 1934 - same day the QM was launched. She was placed at Berth 108 at the "New Docks" (th Western Docks today) and languished there alongisde Olympic. Mauretania was sold off for L77,000 on April 2nd, 1935 and the auction of her fittings took place on May 14-17 and 20-23. This moulding was removed probably in June, and still bears the original screw used to mount it to the "body" of Mauretania. She left Southampton for Rosyth on July 1st, 1935 at noon. She reached the breakers yard after passing under the Firth of Forth Railway Bridge (another tech masterpeice designed by Thomas Arrol, who did the Great Gantry Titanic was constructed in) at 6 AM on July 4th. The remaining hull was beached in April 1936 and was gone by the fall of that year. Hope you guys like it, 'cause I love it!

Best,

MB

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First Class Lounge aboard Mauretania C. 1927; color inserts are from the Met Club Bar in Bristol, where much of her Lounge was installed after the original auction and can be seen today. The dome from the First Class Reading room is also there, above the dance floor and now sporting a disco ball! B/W photo © EKL Image Collection, Bristol photographs courtesy and © K. Johnstone.

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Detail from above on of the entrances - photographed at the Met Club and © K. Johnstone. Color insert of moulding section © EKL Image Collection.

LOUNGEMOULDINGptu1.jpg

Detail of moulding pattern from Mauretania's First Class Lounge, polished African Mahogany and gold/bronze paint. © EKL Collection

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Magikbilly- that is a great souvenir, and you are lucky to have it. Those color photos really go to show you how much is lost when the only thing left of a ship are black and white photos. Those rich woods, the gold leaf... you really can't have an idea of how rich and warm those rooms felt from the 20's photos. All you can see is the Edwardian monumentality, but not the "feel".

On another note, I was fortunate enough to spend a week onboard the QE2 in 1999 on her annual New England Jazz cruise. The interiors were updated in a way that the 1969 interiors, especially the Queen's room were refurbished with furnishings that do not do justice to the original design. Apparently, Eames / Saarinen style furniture was considered too dated to retain, even though the room looked more cohesive in style with it in place. See these before and after pix:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QE2-1.jpg" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QE2-1.jpg</a>

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QE2-3.jpg" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QE2-3.jpg</a>

Overall, the ship itself was relatively sterile, and unadorned.... bordering on very plain. It was the PEOPLE, in their formalwear, the classy jazz music throughout the ship, tea and finger sandwiches handed out on the pool deck by well dressed stewards, the formal dining and clinking glasses that literally set the atmosphere and mood of the ship. These elements all added up to the most elegant scenes you could imagine. An older woman at my dinner table remarked that she felt like she was back in the 1940's. In the case of the QE2, without the PEOPLE, the ship would lose much of its character.

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I don't know if you guys are aware, but the QE2 will make her final crossing soon.

Interestingly, the Cunard website makes no mention of this. Indeed, there are Atlantic crossings scheduled for the QE2 through January of 2008, which is about as far in advance as the schedule goes.

Addendum: I should note that most (but not all) of the QE2 transatlantic crossings are not billed as such but are part of cruises that include other stops after the crossing or are "repositioning" crossings, i.e., done for the purpose of starting a new cruise season in a different location. The QM2 is now Cunard's primary transatlantic vessel. However, typically it is still possible to book a transatlantic crossing on the QE2 on those trips not advertised as such if the complete cruise package is not sold out. These crossings are sometimes sold as last-minute deals at discounted rates. On the other hand, it does appear that the QE2 is set to ply to the Atlantic for some time to come, albeit in a role that is secondary to the QM2.

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Has anybody here heard of or sailed on the Regal Empress??? It looks like a really nice old ship still in service:

<a href="http://www.maritimematters.com/regalempresscruise.html" target="_blank">http://www.maritimematters.com/regalempresscruise.html</a>

<a href="http://www.imperialmajesty.com/" target="_blank">http://www.imperialmajesty.com/</a>

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In 1991 the ship Michelangelo was considered too old and was towed to Pakistan where she was scrapped.

Leonardo da Vinci, built in 1960 to replace the sunken Andrea Doria.

The Leonardo da Vinci suffered a mysterious fire and was towed to a nearby scrap yard where she was cut up.

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Has anybody here heard of or sailed on the Regal Empress???

Yes, my family and I cruised her back in 1991 when she was Commodore Cruise lines "Caribe I."

What a wonderful experience, great food, small passenger load, and lots of staff to pamper you. We were on a '60's Rock 'n Roll outing with Joey Dee and his Starlighters. He would hang out in the casino during the afternoon hours.

That week we stopped for day trips in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, St. John, and St. Thomas before speeding back to Miami. Whenever we would dock in one of the ports, there was usually one of the newer mega-ships in town. Made the Olympia/Caribe I/Regal Empress look like a rowboat next to them.

I'd go again in a minute.

We also did the QE2 in 2003 for 14 days from NYC to LA stopping in Ft. Lauderdale, Aruba, Panama (after traversing the canal), and Acapulco. The average age was 65 or better, so our friends, wife and I felt like kids. We had Gerry and the Pacemakers onboard along with Patrica Neal. A real classy operation and beautiful ship.

Randy.

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"Interestingly, the Cunard website makes no mention of this. Indeed, there are Atlantic crossings scheduled for the QE2 through January of 2008, which is about as far as the advance schedule goes."

Hi,

From what I have been told, she will be finishing up in late 2007 or so. I do not know what the plans are for her after that.

Maverick - thanks - glad you enjoyed the moulding I have other bits of her, but that is the most evocative I think. I agree - lack of color shows strongly in comparison. Do you collect from any one liner?

MB

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HI All,

Well, I was just reading that the QE2 had her kitchens refitted a few months back - that is a pretty good indication of some life left. I was informed a while ago that her last true crossing will be in 2007 (cruising after I imagine) - if not, a bunch of people I know will regret making arrangements! Some say she will be out by 2008-2010, other say she is going to be around fpor 12-15 years. Time will tell

MB

Have a good friday everybody

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<a href="http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnewspics.html" target="_blank">Beached at Alang</a>

MB

Wow, she is actually much more "aground" than I imagined. I thought she was just resting her bow on the sand and her rear end was floating. This must be the work of a low tide, I cant imagine that there is any way to pull a ship of that size up on the beach.

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Hi,

Yep - low tide beaching. Sad sight indeed. When Mauretania was Beached in April of '36 she too was run aground at low tide - but by that time all that remained was her lower hull and prop shafts. Still, there was 78 feet of her alone just between the forward and aft prop shafts! I have some geat photographs of this but I can not post them here - you will see them in my next article - Mauretania: Final Voyages, Demolition and Surviving Fittings. Some 13,000 wds and abt 50 illustrations - many in color.

Best,

MB

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Has anybody here heard of or sailed on the Regal Empress??? It looks like a really nice old ship still in service:

<a href="http://www.maritimematters.com/regalempresscruise.html" target="_blank">http://www.maritimematters.com/regalempresscruise.html</a>

<a href="http://www.imperialmajesty.com/" target="_blank">http://www.imperialmajesty.com/</a>

Yes, my family and I cruised her back in 1991 when she was Commodore Cruise lines "Caribe I."

What a wonderful experience, great food, small passenger load, and lots of staff to pamper you. We were on a '60's Rock 'n Roll outing with Joey Dee and his Starlighters. He would hang out in the casino during the afternoon hours.

That week we stopped for day trips in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, St. John, and St. Thomas before speeding back to Miami. Whenever we would dock in one of the ports, there was usually one of the newer mega-ships in town. Made the Olympia/Caribe I/Regal Empress look like a rowboat next to them.

I'd go again in a minute.

We also did the QE2 in 2003 for 14 days from NYC to LA stopping in Ft. Lauderdale, Aruba, Panama (after traversing the canal), and Acapulco. The average age was 65 or better, so our friends, wife and I felt like kids. We had Gerry and the Pacemakers onboard along with Patrica Neal. A real classy operation and beautiful ship.

Randy.

Thanks Randy, you have convinced me to go (like I needed a lot of arm twisting for this one)

I e-mailed my father in NJ and proposed a mini-family vacation to the West Indies, and he seems receptive. The fact that this ship offers relaxed and easy three day cruises means that noone should have trouble "getting off work" to go etc etc. I'll let you know if we book, and how it is.

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I just heard that with impending SOLAS 2010 requirements, the Delta Queen, one of our national treasures, is being forced into retirement. See full story here:

http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnews.html

I think this is really wrong. As a classic ship lover I am particularly upset, but this is a loss for the world! I have never traveled on her, but now I have to do it soon if I ever would like to. What is this world coming to? I have antique cars. Will they be forced off the road next? I think motorcycles are more dangerous than the Delta Queen, as is skydiving and bungee jumping but that is not being banned. Arrrgh!! PS, the Delta Queen has a perfect safety record after 80 years.

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"This exemption, which Congress had extended no fewer than six occasions, was set to expire in November 2008."

Hi Maverick,

Was this because of new regulation or the epxpected expiration of the already extended exemption?

MB

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Voters cleaned Congress's clock in the last election. Now the public is reaping what they sowed. You want it, you got it. Yes, antique cars could be next.

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I think I have my facts slightly off... the Delta Queen is succumbing to SOLAS 2008... even though it was spared during the origingal SOLAS laws of 1966. SOLAS 2010 is on my brain because that will be the end of any of the remaining significant classic liners.

SOLAS is an international law for "Safety Of Life At Sea"... originally passed and applied to passenger vessels traveling more than 10 nautical miles from land. The Delta Queen is never more than a mile (on either side) from land, according to what I have read, being that she is a riverboat.

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Some more liner shots. Just got this one in last night. It's the famed ILE DE FRANCE, which was the first major liner built after World War I. This shot was taken in August 1958. In November 1958 the liner sailed on it's last cruise.

ile-de-france.jpg

Before the ship was scrapped it starred in a disaster move, "The Last Voyage". That film will air on Turner Classic Movies on Feb 11, so liner fans should circle their calendars. More on the ship and a link to a clip from the film can be found here: <a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp" target="_blank">http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/ile-de-france.asp</a></a></a></a></a></a>

I thought folks might like to see how travel across the Atlantic could look:

liner-1.jpg

liner-2.jpg

Anyone like to guess what ship this was?

And here is one of those Ile de France deck chairs.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320298404254

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