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Why would a guy would walk around the Fair for twelve minutes, doing nothing but tape recording the passing crowd, when there were important pictures to be taken?! Probably because I had already tape-recorded the pavilions of interest, and couldn't kick the habit! To those of you who might enjoy authentic crowd and street noise while viewing NYWF photographs, this AUDIO file is hereby dedicated.

 

Walking Around the Fair.mp3  (12:01)

 

 

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Ralph, do you remember where you were walking while recording these sounds and voices?  They are still so alive, so vibrant nearly 55 years later.

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Sorry, Jim, I really don't know exactly where I was. The "Fair is Fair" music in the beginning could be coming from any of the ubiquitous luminaries on any street. There are a few mumbled announcements here and there, but I haven't identified any. Perhaps some of our fantastic WF sleuths can sniff out a clue here and there. I've never really paid much attention to this audio, but if I detect something I'll let you know.

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Around 9:50: carillon.

Around 10:25: beep-beeps, probably Glide-a-Ride horn(s).

Around 10:30: a narration becomes audible. Beeps continue.

10:35 -10:40: narration sounds like: "...delicatessen..." "...products..."  [?]

Around 10:44: "We have room at the International Plaza for 600 people, 190 people..."  (as best I can make out).

The Glide-a-Ride EW route was the only one going by the International Plaza, and did not have narration, so it seems there was a barker PA system for the Plaza.

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I was curious about where a PA speaker might be - could it have been the carillon? 

Searching Bill Cotter's photo CDs, I found a picture with a PA speaker mounted above the Hummel shop, facing out to the Avenue of Asia

109 - International Plaza - Hummel shop PA speaker.jpg

There's a similar speaker above the Bel-Gem Waffle shop in Ralph's InternationalPlaza 6 Bel-Gem waffles picture.

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Sherlock Holmes would envy you, Wayne! I noticed the carillon also, and presumed it came from Coke. I wonder if the beeps came from the occasional Greyhound Bus as well as the Glide-a-Ride.

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The Grand Sightseeing bus tour did go by there:

http://www.nywf64.com/greyhound08.shtml

but the horns sounded too puny to me to be a bus. 

Maybe if Larry Lief (our resident Greyhound driver and Dempsey Dumpster nemesis) sees this, he can comment.

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Wayne - I'm on a little tablet right now and I can't hear Ralph's audio.  It says it's not available for my account whatever that means.  The WF Greyhound buses had normal horns. They really couldn't goof around with those big things and put something silly quacking out the Go Greyhound tune like they did on the 1964 Escorters . The late great Ray Dashner had a lot of WF audio recordings.

Funny, I haven't been here in a long time but I just took a quick look and skimmed a few posts and saw my name!

 

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Larry, for some reason I don't understand, it seems to require a membership and password to access an audio file. Does your tablet have that kind of access? Perhaps Bill C. can enlighten us. 

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Do you have a date on this?  Sounds like it's a warm time of year to discuss the merits of a snowcone.

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I haven't heard kids whine like that in years, "...i don't wanna ....." unless it was from a 1960's movie or tv show.

Great audio

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4 hours ago, icedstitch said:

Do you have a date on this?  Sounds like it's a warm time of year to discuss the merits of a snowcone.

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I haven't heard kids whine like that in years, "...i don't wanna ....." unless it was from a 1960's movie or tv show.

Great audio

I don't follow you about snowcones. During summer seems like a great time to consider the merits of these crushed ice treats with flavoring. Glad you like the audio!

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 Wayne, an ID and password are necessary to download files as they are intended only for users. There's no additional password beyond that normally used to get onto the site. Nonmembers can read anything here but they can't download or Post.

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I wasn't able to hear it on my little Android tablet but now it comes in fine on my IPad.  I concur with Dr. Bretl’s diagnosis, most likely a Glide-a-ride horn.  What is the GAR "ew route", Wayne?  I drove the Tour A route and did the narration (which I still remember bits of).  I dont remember going by the International Plaza or even what the I P was.  Didn’t all the GAR’s have narration?

I have Ray Dashner’s CD audio tapes of the Fair stashed away someplace, I think.  If there is any interest I might be able to figure out how to upload it. Let me know.

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26 minutes ago, Larry L said:

...  What is the GAR "ew route", Wayne? ... Didn’t all the GAR’s have narration?...

 

According to the route maps at http://www.nywf64.com/greyhound09.shtml, there were three narrated tour routes, A, B and C, and three non-narrated transport routes, N, S and EW, which I take to mean North, South and East-West. (See the maps - I think that the compass direction of the EW route is really more north-south, but naming the routes Northern EW, Southern EW, and NS would have been more confusing.)

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Wayne - Look at the date under that map, 1963.  It was made before the fair started.  Many of the early maps were erroneous.  Correct me if I’m wrong but  I dont think there were any non narrated gar’s inside the fair, and the one on the right is shown in the huge parking fields.  Only once, during a chaotic very heavy surprise thunderstorm, was i dragooned into duty driving people to their cars at the Meadow Lake parking lot, but I was driving the big GM bus then.  I think that may have been because the lot was partially flooded and people couldn’t walk to their cars.  I don’t think there was regular gar shuttle service to the parked cars.  If there was i never drove it.  I only drove tour a gar in ‘64, and in ‘65 the big bus.  Also it says the gar tours were taped but I always gave a live spoken tour through a mike.  They gave me a script which I pretty much ignored.  I saved that script for a while after the fair but unfortunately it is long gone.

 

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Here is the SECOND issue of the map, dated March '64 (on the eve of opening day).

How to See- 2nd issue 3-64-inside1.jpg

How to See- 2nd issue 3-64-inside4.jpg

 

The THIRD issue of the map is dated MAY '64 and they changed the color to red.  But the only "open" view pic of it is the wrong side, that doesn't have maps!  (one of you probably has it though).

How to See- 3rd issue 5-64-inside.jpg

 

Yes, there is a 1965 version of the map.  Good luck reading it!  (Very poor photo).

Lots of changes, including the Escorters being eliminated.

1965_How_to_See_the_Fair_brochure_-_inside.jpg

 

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Randy - I have some similar maps.  I see a "step on step off 25 cents" GAR but I have no recollection of it.  Sounds like a non narrated transport only GAR.  Was it actually in operation?  

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I have an orange-front one that is marked THIRD REVISED ISSUE 5-64 under the dog logo and the GAR image, which appear back and front when folded. The map side is in blue and shows the N, S, and EW GAR routes, the same as the early map on NYWF64.com. I have another, 1964 (with Escorter Service), blue front issue, that has no printing or revision date. The map side seems identical to Randy's March 64 version. 

Randy, are you sure about March 64? The later dated 5-64 orange version still has the N, S, and EW routes, while others supposedly later have joined the N and S into a single loop labeled EAST-WEST, and the former (?) EW has been made into a loop also, and labeled NORTH-SOUTH. 

On the blue-front 1964 map I have, the only route that passes the International Pavilion is the Grand Sightseeing Bus Tour, no GARs.

On the orange-front Third Revised Issue 5-64 version, the EW route matches that on NYWF64.com and goes past the IP.

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"On the blue-front 1964 map I have, the only route that passes the International Pavilion is the Grand Sightseeing Bus Tour, no GARs."

 

I drove that Grand Bus Tour for one day only, opening day.  It was chaotic.  I got lost.  I didn't know where I was. I didn't know how to work the doors and a kid got stuck in it and was screaming.  It was raining.  Then I ran into a civil rights demonstration blocking the road I was on and had to make a broken u-turn amidst crowds of people with no one to back me up.  I don't remember passing the Int'l Pavilion, whatever that is.

 

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On 20/10/2017 at 12:14 PM, Bill Cotter said:

 Wayne, an ID and password are necessary to download files as they are intended only for users. There's no additional password beyond that normally used to get onto the site. Nonmembers can read anything here but they can't download or Post.

Bill, it finally dawned on me what you were saying. The audio files are just that---files. Requiring downloading in order to listen to them. Photos can be seen because there is a "built-in" visual displayer, and some of us may have assumed that the WF site also had a built-in audio player.

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10 hours ago, RalphQuinn said:

Bill, it finally dawned on me what you were saying. The audio files are just that---files. Requiring downloading in order to listen to them. Photos can be seen because there is a "built-in" visual displayer, and some of us may have assumed that the WF site also had a built-in audio player.

Yup, it's part of the system design to provide members some extra benefits and to help with security. Otherwise someone could start illegal file distribution using the site resources.

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On 10/16/2017 at 8:43 PM, RalphQuinn said:

I don't follow you about snowcones. During summer seems like a great time to consider the merits of these crushed ice treats with flavoring. Glad you like the audio!

In the audio you hear a mother trying to offer her son a snowcone, and it sounded like he whined for something else.  It's been a few weeks now, and I can't pinpoint when in the audio i heard it, i think it's somewhat early on.

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