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This one was really tough to spot. In all my photos of the Giant Tire, this is the only one where this sign shows up. Maybe that's because it's unlucky number 13. :)

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Thanks Randy!

Here's another revised map:

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I found another shot of the US Rubber ferris wheel with the sign as well:

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© Bill Cotter – worldsfairphotos.com – NYWF CD 11, Set 56, Image 18

Since this photo and the one you found were both taken in 1965, I wonder if this Picture Spot was added between the seasons?

It doesn't seem to show up in any of the 1964 season photos of the same area...

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I had presumed that this was somewhere along Meditation Walk (in the Garden of Meditation), but I can't find it any other photos of the Garden area.

Based upon the location of the kid holding the baseball bat on the Kodak Pavilion in this photo...

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© Bill Cotter – worldsfairphotos.com – NYWF CD 13, Set 63, Image 21

...I came to the conclusion that this Picture Spot was actually on the Avenue of Asia, near the entrance to the Pan American Highway Gardens.

Would you agree?

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...I came to the conclusion that this Picture Spot was actually on the Avenue of Asia, near the entrance to the Pan American Highway Gardens.

Would you agree?

Yes, I agree.

Whoever took this picture must have been standing right next to the same Picture Spot sign.

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©Bill Cotter, Set 353, Picture 008

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Over the man's left shoulder we can see the back of one of the Pan Am Highway picture boards, which had telephone-pole like wooden supports. You can see it in both pictures. The back of the picture boards were painted green.

I tried to find a direct confirmation in my other Pan Am Highway pictures, but couldn't find any. But looking at pictures shot in the exact reverse direction from the Kodak Moon Roof, and looking at the map, I concluded that the sign may have been positioned for Pan Am Highway shots, Kodak shots, Sermon of Science shots, and swiveling the opposite direction.... Solar Fountain shots. Kodak seemed to place their signs that way a lot, in positions with multiple angles at more than one pavilion (like the Belgian Village / Hall of Free Enterprise example).

So, I went and looked in my Solar Fountain pictures, and finally found this 1965 photo. But it looks like for the second season, they erected a fence around it.

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So... on your map you may need to move it down to the corner of the Avenue of Asia and Court of the Sun.

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This is fascinating detective work. So far it appears that there were no Picture Spots in the Lake Amusement Area.

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This is fascinating detective work. So far it appears that there were no Picture Spots in the Lake Amusement Area.

We've only found about a third of the signs. I'd bet my bottom dollar there were some signs in the Lake Amusement Area. I've perused my Florida Pavilion and Hawaii Pavilion pictures and haven't found them yet. But they're there somewhere, I'm sure.

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I'd bet my bottom dollar there were some signs in the Lake Amusement Area. I've perused my Florida Pavilion and Hawaii Pavilion pictures and haven't found them yet. But they're there somewhere, I'm sure.

Bingo. Found one.

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Closeup:

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Now that I now where this one was located, I found it in two other photos as well. It was right next to the Nerveless Nocks performing area (the wooden fence).

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This explains the abundance of flamingo pictures (other than flamingos being pretty exotic to New Yorkers). I had overlooked this one when I went through my Florida Pavilion photos the other day.

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I've leave you guys to triangulate where these were located, based on what you can see in the background (Sermons from Science Pavilion in the upper left of the first picture). At least one of them is probably the one in Bill's demolition photo,

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I love the last picture. The kid looks like he's pointing at us and saying "but I tell you, they're time travelers from the 21st Century ! "

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Re the photo above.

Can LL confirm that as one of the rare turbocharged Glide a Rides with the cowl lifted to clear the Holley blower? I'd go back myself and check but my Probe Radius coordinates are doubtful and I don't want to materialize in the Thrush glass pack.

That's a nice profile shot showing that it actually has wheels and doesn't float like as a 7 yr old I wanted to believe.

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Has this one been posted yet? Presumably you were supposed to point your lens straight up to get a shot of the looming photo cube...

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This particular picture hasn't been posted, but Kevin marked it on the map from the sign being seen in a few other photos.

I think Larry or somebody had told us that the rear-engine Clarke Glide-a-Ride tugs overheated a lot because they didn't get any airflow over a radiator, and the drivers started propping open the hood like that to allow it to cool off. But I'm sure some drivers would have loved to remove the speed governor from the 3 cylinder Continental engine and put in a Holly blower and Thrush glass pack, replace the transmission with something that will cruise at highway speeds, drop the passenger train, and open 'er up down the Grand Central Parkway. :D At least they'd have gotten a lot of double takes from other drivers. Of course Clarke- a manufacturer of fork lifts- picked a simular engine- the 3 cylinder Continental- when designing the tug- so it's going to have it's limits.

But the real drawback was... no other seat to take your date to the drive-in movie. You'd have to borrow one of the Ferrari-modified Escorters for that.

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Here's the Avenue of Asia sign in June '64, before they erected a fence around it for the second season. Early stages of smoke ring formulation from General Cigar too.

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closeup:

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At least one of them is probably the one in Bill's demolition photo,

Upon further review I'd say it's the chipmunk photo, since the two trees, light pole, and phone booth mounting poles right behind the sign all seem to match.

The dwarfs photo looks like it may be a location we haven't mapped yet.

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Hi Randy,

Wow – you’ve been busy while I was gone...

I agree with you on the Chipmunk photo - I think it’s the same Picture Spot that was in Bill’s demolition photo...

The “dwarfs photo” had me scratching my head for a while, but I think I’ve finally nailed it down. What was throwing me off was the “Sermons from Science” Pavilion in the upper left-hand corner. I believe this photo was actually taken on the Avenue of Commerce near the Schaefer Center looking south towards GF Arch #5, and what looks like the wavy edge of the Sermons from Science Pavilion roof is actually the wavy edge of the Kodak pavilion roof (I think the angle of the photo makes the waviness of the roof look more extreme that it really was):

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Here’s another photo from the Avenue of Commerce looking to the north toward GF Arch # 4.

It’s a little grainy, but I think I see the same Picture Spot sign:

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© Bill Cotter – worldsfair.com – NYWF CD#7, Set 31, Image 30

So, adding the “dwarf sign”, and the two you found in the Lake Amusement Area, we’ve now found a total of 17 Picture Spot signs (I’ve also adjusted the location of the sign near the Pan American Highways to be closer to the Solar Fountain as well):

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The search continues...

Kevin

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That possibility of it being in front of Schaefer occurred to me too but I discounted it with the mental argument 'why would Kodak put signs so close together on the Avenue of Commerce?'.... plus I looked at lots of Schaefer photos and couldn't find it. But your pointing out the arch of the Brass Rail restaurant nails it. That's a pretty unique architectural feature. And it stands to reason that the costumed Disney cast members wouldn't stray too far from home (the Pepsi Pavilion).

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Number 19 was located near the Denmark Pavilion and the Protestant & Orthodox Center. This sign also lined up perfectly on the Masonic Center (see last photo).

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Should the Kodak pavilion have the individual photo spots marked for accuracy's sake?

This is turning out to be a very elaborate "Where's Waldo!" smile.gif

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Should the Kodak pavilion have the individual photo spots marked for accuracy's sake?

There's a separate pavilion map for that, that was done just a few months ago to help Dr. Walters' students in Florida with their virtual Fair project. I don't think we put the photo spots on that map, but that would be the place for it. Kevin, do you have the Kodak Pavilion map?

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Thanks Randy -

And I believe I’ve found number 21 in front of the Illinois Pavilion at the intersection of Kennedy Circle and the Court of the Great Lakes:

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© Bill Cotter – worldsfairphotos.com – NYWF CD# 6, Set 28, Image 37

Here’s today’s updated map:

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Regarding the Picture Spots on the Kodak Pavilion roof – We don’t really have a detailed enough map, but here’s where I think three of the locations were:

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However, I still haven’t quite figured out where the “NEW YORK WORLD’S FAIR 1964-1965” title sign was located...

Kevin

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Here is a better picture of the Illinois Pavilion sign. Might need a small placement adjustment on the map, as it looks like it was out in the middle of Kennedy Circle in the median island.

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As for the title sign location on Kodak's moon roof, I think we have that nailed down. I'll post a picture.

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The title sign was between the two arched doorways of the dome theater, on the west side.

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There was an instruction panel mounted on the railing:

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