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  1. Hello Everyone: Wanted to be the first to post this morning about today being the 80th Anniversary of the Opening Ceremonies for the 1939 New York World's Fair. Must have been amazing to have been there and see it all first hand as everyone waited anxiously to be able to start walking around the grounds of the fair and entering into the gorgeous pavilions!!! If I could be there on that date 80 years ago, the first thing I would head for would be a trip through the Futurama!!! How about everyone else- what would be the first thing you would want to see at the fair? Ronald
  2. Hello Everyone: I haven't posted in a while, and thought I would share something I came across completely by accident yesterday. I turned the TV on and it was already on "Antenna TV" network, and an episode of "Hazel" was airing. It was about 12 minutes into the episode, and I happened to notice that she was talking to the character of Harold Baxter (the child of the family that she works for on the show). She was describing something to him, then I noticed she mentioned Magic Skyway and dinosaurs, and Santa Maria replica and then I realized that she was talking about the NYWF!!! I quickly googled the episode and discovered the title: "Just Me, Harold and the Universe", from Season 4 and was Episode 9 that originally aired November 12, 1964. As I started to pay attention from that point forward, I discovered that Hazel had entered a contest for Best Housekeeper of the Year, and the grand prize was a trip for two to the 1965 season of the New York World's Fair. The fair is mentioned a number of times from that point forward, and then after reading a little bit on the internet, I discovered that Ford Motor Company was the show's biggest sponsor, so it was only natural that there was a narrative by the Hazel character about the Magic Skyway and some of the attractions inside it. Just thought I would share that with everyone in case you would like to try to find the episode and watch it sometime. Ronald
  3. Progressland model up for auction

    Hello Everyone: I found a link to a site with a small video that shows one of these 14 models with the Plexiglass cover in place and the lights operating!!! Here is the link if you would like to view the photos and the video: https://worleygig.com/2016/09/07/eye-on-design-scale-model-of-progressland-for-the-1964-new-york-worlds-fair/
  4. Hello Everyone: Today marks the 79th anniversary of the opening of the 1939/40 New York World's Fair. Today also is the 229th anniversary of George Washington's Inauguration as our First President. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a time machine and go back and witness both of these events first hand??? Just thought I would get the conversation started on this subject. Ronald
  5. Rev. Billy Graham Death

    Eric: Thanks for posting this-- I too just learned of Reverend Graham's passing about an hour ago, and my first thought was to post it here in our World's Fair forum because of his connection to the 1964/65 New York World's Fair. He was a great man who never let his fame go to his head; he did so many great things for so many people in his lifetime-- he left behind some very big shoes to fill. I was born six days before the fair opened in 1964, so I was also born too late to experience the NYWF. I have always enjoyed viewing photos of the Billy Graham Pavilion-- I think that the Pavilion itself was a very attractive structure-- a real shame it couldn't be saved and rebuilt elsewhere. I have a very large collection of NYWF memorabilia, and I have about a half dozen items related to Reverend Graham's Pavilion. May he rest in peace. Ronald
  6. Obit on Disney designer

    Hello Everyone: I just found out today that another person who was instrumental in the Disney-designed attractions at the NYWF passed away back on July 27, 2017. His name was Marty Sklar, and he was 83 years old at his passing. Below is the obituary from the New York Times: Marty Sklar, Longtime Disney Aide and Executive, Dies at 83 By RICHARD SANDOMIR AUG. 3, 2017 Marty Sklar in front of an image of Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse at Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif., in 2005. Mr. Sklar worked for the Walt Disney Company for more than 50 years. Credit Jae C Hong/Associated Press On the mid-July day in 1955 when Disneyland opened in Anaheim, Calif., confusion reigned. More people stormed its grounds than expected, rides broke down, food and beverage supplies ran short, and a plumbers’ strike limited the number of working water fountains. Out in the park that afternoon, amid the disorder, was Marty Sklar, a 21-year-old college junior who was editing the theme park’s 10-cent newspaper. At one point Fess Parker, in full costume as Disney’s television and big-screen Davy Crockett, complete with coonskin cap, approached him on horseback. Spotting Mr. Sklar’s name tag, Mr. Parker called out for help. “Marty,” he said, “get me out of here before this horse hurts someone!” Disneyland recovered well from the early chaos. And Mr. Sklar went on to spend more than a half-century at the Walt Disney Company, as a close aide to Walt Disney himself and eventually as the principal creative executive of the company’s Imagineering unit, made up of the innovators who blend their imaginations and their technical expertise in devising every element of the company’s theme parks. “Marty was sort of the keeper of the flame of Walt’s philosophies so that everybody could learn from them,” Bob Gurr, an Imagineer for 27 years (his credits include the Matterhorn roller coasters), said in a telephone interview. “Marty was connected to literally everything the Disney company has done since Disneyland. Mr. Sklar, who died on July 27 at his home in the Hollywood Hills neighborhood of Los Angeles, maintained his connection to the company after his retirement in 2009 (timed for the 54th anniversary of Disneyland’s opening). Last year, at Day 1 of Shanghai Disney in China, he became the only cast member, as the company calls its workers, to have attended the openings of all 12 Disney parks worldwide. And less than two weeks before he died, he was at D23, a Disney fan convention, reminiscing on a panel about Disneyland. His death was announced by the Disney company, which did not give a cause. He was 83. Mr. Sklar’s job editing The Disneyland News was a temporary one, but he returned to Disneyland after graduating from U.C.L.A. in 1956 to work in its publicity department. He soon became Mr. Disney’s chief ghostwriter for publicity materials, dedications, souvenir guides, speeches, slogans, presentations and short films, like the one that helped the company win approval to build Walt Disney World and Epcot in central Florida. He also collaborated with Walt and his brother, Roy, on Disney’s annual reports. “It was pretty heady stuff for someone just closing in on his 30th birthday and only six or seven years out of college,” Mr. Sklar wrote in his autobiography, “Dream It! Do It: My Half-Century Creating Disney’s Magic Kingdoms” (2013). But even as Mr. Disney leaned on Mr. Sklar’s writing, he assigned him to work on the Ford Pavilion at the 1964 World’s Fair in New York, where the Disney company was designing exhibits and attractions. Mr. Sklar wrote Mr. Disney’s narration for the “Magic Skyway” at the Ford pavilion, with its animatronic dinosaurs and cave men, and was the main link to major corporate sponsors. It was the start of Mr. Sklar’s second phase at the company. As an increasingly important member, and leader, of the Imagineers, he became even more identified with the legacy of Mr. Disney, who died in late 1966, well before the openings of Walt Disney World, in 1971, and Epcot, in 1982. After Mr. Disney’s death of lung cancer at 65, Mr. Sklar was thrust back into writing when he was told that the company’s top executives had not prepared a public statement in advance, even though, as he wrote in his autobiography, “it was no secret Walt was dying.” Mr. Sklar in 2016 receiving the Diane Disney Miller Lifetime Achievement Award at a gala hosted by Neil Patrick Harris. Credit Joe Scarnici/Getty Images for The Walt Disney Family Museum Mr. Sklar resented having to write the statement that Roy Disney would sign, he said, but he understood that the lack of planning was a sign that Mr. Disney’s death had paralyzed the company’s leaders. “The truth is they were all scared as hell,” Mr. Sklar wrote. Martin Adrian Sklar was born in New Brunswick, N.J., on Feb. 6, 1934. His father, Leon, was a teacher, and his mother, the former Lilyn Fuchs, worked at Johnson & Johnson before the family moved to Long Beach, Calif., when Marty was 12. .After high school, he had temporary jobs working at Douglas Aircraft, scooping ice cream at a hamburger drive-in and delivering packages for the Postal Service. But in May 1955, as his junior year at U.C.L.A. was ending, Mr. Sklar received a message to call E. Cardon Walker, the head of marketing and publicity at Disney. At the time, Mr. Sklar was the new editor in chief of The Daily Bruin, the U.C.L.A. student newspaper. Mr. Walker asked him to interview for the job of creating and editing The Disneyland News. The theme park was opening soon, Mr. Walker told him. It needed him. Mr. Walker hired him after a 20-minute interview. But Mr. Sklar still needed to assure Mr. Disney that he knew what he was doing. “I was on the job two weeks and had to present the concept for the paper to Walt Disney,” he recalled in a podcast for the Disney Avenue website. “If Walt didn’t like it, I was out the door, and he’d get a pro to do it. But the good fortune was that Walt liked it. I was 21. It was scary. I’d never worked professionally.” Mr. Sklar eventually distilled Mr. Disney’s lessons (and some from others) into “Mickey’s Ten Commandments,” a manifesto of theme park management. Among the commandments: Know your audience. Wear your guests’ shoes, figuratively speaking, to experience an attraction as they would. Tell one story at a time in any given attraction. Bob Rogers, an expert in themed entertainment, once called Mr. Sklar “the sorcerer’s apprentice” — the role Mickey Mouse played in the Disney classic “Fantasia” (1940) — for channeling the Disney philosophies to three generations of designers. Mr. Sklar is survived by his wife, the former Leah Gerber; his daughter Leslie Sklar; his son Howard; and four grandchildren. Mr. Sklar was a devout Disney executive. He routinely wore a three-faced Mickey Mouse watch (which gave him the times in Los Angeles, Paris and Tokyo) and a gold Mickey Mouse ring. And he never forgot all that Mr. Disney had taught him. When the Disney company was developing a children’s area for the California Adventure Park, Mr. Sklar reminded the planners to include activities that parents and children could do together, as Mr. Disney would have mandated. “I reminded everyone that the reason Disneyland existed at all was because Walt used to take his daughters Diane and Sharon to the Griffith Park merry-go-round,” he told The Los Angeles Times in 2002, “and Daddy had to sit on the park bench eating peanuts and popcorn while the kids rode alone.” Here is a link to an interview that Mr. Sklar did that tells all about his involvement with the New York World's Fair and the work he did at all four of the Disney projects at the Fair: http://blog.silive.com/sinotebook/2010/04/an_interview_with_marty_sklar.html
  7. Closing Day Fifty Years Ago

    Roger: Thanks so much for posting these wonderful photos-- I too, thought off and on yesterday about Expo 67 reaching the closing date 50 years ago. I was only 3 1/2 years old at the time, but have enjoyed looking at photos and collecting things from Expo over the years. It seems strange to think that many of the people in the photos who happened to be relatively young at that time are now in their 70's and 80's!!! Sadly, I am sure many people in those photos have since passed away as well. At least they will always be frozen in time in those wonderful photos from October 29, 1967. Again thanks for sharing them. Ronald PS: We now can now look forward to the next World's Fair 50th anniversary that will be approaching in 2018-- the opening of Hemisfair in San Antonio, TX on April 6, 1968. I have always thought of Hemisfair as a miniature 1964/65 New York World's Fair. Many of the corporate sponsors that had pavilions at NYWF also had pavilions at Hemisfair (Ford even carried over some of the NYWF displays including the Aurora show car). Both fairs left behind theme centers that still stand to this day (Unisphere and Tower of the Americas), and both have few remaining structures still standing. There is a nice website I recently discovered that has information on the celebration that is being planned in San Antonio for the 50th Anniversary in April 2018. You can check it out at www.hemisfair.org. There is also a great website that covers Hemisfair in great detail with many photos at www.worldsfair68.info.
  8. Hello Everyone: Today marks the 50th anniversary of the opening of Expo 67!!! It just so happens that we are using the same calendar for 2017 that was used in 1967, so this is the exact date 50 years later!!! I like Expo 67, but I still think that NYWF 64/65 had more appealing architecture, especially the large corporate pavilions. I wish that Expo 67 would have had more corporate participation than it did- to me that is one of the things that makes NYWF 64/65 more appealing-- it was more like a giant two-year trade fair, whereas Expo 67 was more about Nations than big business. Just my two cents worth-- I hope that everyone who reads this that visited Expo 67 in person will put some of their memories on here about being there in 1967. I was only three years old, so I was too young to remember Expo when it was going on. Thanks!! Ronald
  9. Aboard the Swiss Sky Ride in June 1964

    Nice view of the family telephone booth in the lower left area-- I always wondered if any of these got saved, or if they demolished them on the spot when the fair was being torn down. Anyone know anything about them?? Did they build them out of thin concrete, or perhaps fiberglass? Ronald
  10. Kodak pavillion model

    Hello Everyone: I know that this thread was last posted to over seven years ago, but the other day, I came across one of the original Kodak Pavilion models that was available for sale on a website that deals in high-end merchandise and artwork. It appears that the original model was made by a company called Displaymasters, Inc. of Edgewater, NJ. It was stated in the description that very few of these had been made, but the actual number is unknown. The example that was available for sale was in perfect condition-- the size of it was shown as being 24" long, 14" wide, and 6 1/2" tall. The price you might ask? It was being offered at $7,750.00. I would love to own one, but there is no way that I feel the model would be worth that much. It is rare, but considering it was originally offered up as a display for Kodak dealers to purchase and show in their stores to stir up interest in Kodak's participation at the NYWF, I feel a much more realistic price would be in the $1500-$2000.00 range. How do you fellow NYWF collectors feel about it? Ronald PS: In the photo above that shows one of the Kodak Pavilion models on display at the Queens Museum, is the touchtone phone in the photo one of those actually displayed at the Bell Pavilion? And is the IBM typewriter one of the original demonstration models that people could play around with at the IBM pavilion? The photo is a bit out of focus, so I can't read the descriptions shown in front of the objects in the photo.
  11. The Vault III CD-ROM

    Hello Everyone: What is this discussion about? I am unfamiliar with "The Vault"- is it some type of archived materials about the fair? Please let me know. I am very intrigued, LOL!!! Ronald
  12. Greyhound Bus / Window Decals

    To member "Circa" (Steve): I am interested in purchasing one of these from you before they are all gone!!! I have been wanting to send you a private message about these for several days, but was unable to figure out how to do so. I think I finally figured the private messaging system out a few minutes ago, and you should have a message from me now about this. Thanks so much- will look forward to your reply! Ronald
  13. Hello Mitch: I so hope you can save this wonderful piece of the fair!!! I have dreamed of owning this myself-- when I first became aware of it several years ago, I figured at that time that if it ever did go up for sale, it would be too rich for my blood!!! When it was offered up not long ago, I again thought about it, but knew that I live too far away to have it transported (I live in Illinois) even if I could afford it. Believe me, I would be first in line to own it if I could figure out a way to afford the transportation to Illinois and whatever it would cost to buy it from the present owners. Please do everything in your power to save it-- it would be absolutely criminal to see it end up scrapped!!! I missed out on a chance to own one of the ride chairs from the Bell Pavilion two years ago that had been preserved untouched in enclosed storage since 1965 by the original purchaser-- It was very reasonably priced, but it was too far away for me to get it transported to my home in Illinois. Good luck-- I will say a prayer that it gets preserved!! Ronald
  14. Hello Everyone: I am a long time reader of this forum, but only recently joined you guys, and this is my very first post!! I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the color folder/brochure of "Helicopter Sightseeing At The World's Fair" that shows one of the Sikorsky Helicopters preparing to land on top of the Port Authority Heliport with GM Pavilion in the background. The brochure is a trifold and is all color. Would love to have this for my collection, but unable to find one anywhere at this time. Hope to hear back from you guys that maybe someone has an extra one that they would sell me. Thanks!! Ronald
  15. A very early look at General Motors.

    Hello Everyone: It has been awhile since I have posted anything on this forum. I have been reading this thread on the GM Pavilion and it made me think about the fact that the other day I read an article about the world's largest McDonald's that was built on the site of the 2012 London Summer Olympics that was operated only during the Olympics and then was dismantled. The intention from the beginning was that nearly 100% of the structure and it's fixtures would be reused at other McDonald's around Great Britain and very little of it had to be disposed of. It seems that in the 1960's everyone had the mentality that a magic "black hole" just sucked up all of the waste and garbage of the world and absolutely no one cared about recycling. When you think about the fact that the 1964-65 NYWF was nearly one mile by one mile square, and contained basically a small city of structures and that when the fair was over, most of it was carted off to land fills and not reused, it truly does seem to be a mindboggling waste of resources. Such a shame that Mr. Moses and the Fair Board of Directors couldn't have had the foresite to have the buildings designed so that at least 50% or more could have remained after the fair and repurposed into the dream that Moses had for FMCP. Just my two-cents worth. Ronald
  16. 1964 World's Fair to Cost $1 Billion

    Hello Everyone: I have an original ad from a publication from 1939 that boast of the Administration Building from the 1939-40 New York World's Fair having cost $900,000.00- and that was in 1938 when it was completed!!! That building was a beauty- it is a real shame that it wasn't saved for a post-fair repurposing. It would have made a nice Administration Building for the 1964-65 Fair with some modifications to make it look more 1960's modern. Ronald
  17. Items wanted for TV episode

    Bill: I always wondered if USS still had a copyright on the Unisphere- you answered my question by the statement you just made on this subject-- Thanks!! Ronald
  18. Very early aerial view

    Seeing this photograph, and then knowing what would be the completed product four years later, makes one realize how huge the undertaking was to build the 1964/65 fair. Thanks so much Bill for posting this fantastic photo!!! Ronald
  19. Happy Birthday, Bill Cotter!

    Bill: Hope you have a wonderful birthday, and thanks so much for all of your contributions to World's Fair Community!!! Ronald
  20. Hello: I have a question that I don't think has been addressed in previous threads (none that I could find, anyway), so perhaps someone can satisfy my curiosity: With the amount of money that was spent on the larger pavilions such as General Motors, Ford, General Electric, Pepsi Cola, Coca Cola, etc, did most of these have complete heating systems in them in addition to A/C to help protect all of the expensive displays during the Winter months between the 1964 and 1965 seasons? It would seem especially true of General Motors and Ford since they spent tens of millions to build these structures, and without any heating systems during the cold winter months, it would seem that much of the interiors would be susceptible to mildew and mold. I know it would be very expensive to heat them, especially since the structures would have been mostly empty except for Pinkerton security and a skeleton crew for maintenance, but with that much money on the line, it would have been a small investment compared to having to rip out and replace damaged interiors. Would like to hear anyone's input on this if you have seen any of the blueprints for these structures that would indicate heating systems. Thanks!! Ronald
  21. Hello Everyone: Upon looking at the close-up shot of the dangling construction worker, there appears to be another person standing on the "TOTFW", right in the middle where all of the arched sections meet. Could be an optical illusion, but I can make out what appears to be a head and body possibly bending over- what does everyone else think? Ronald
  22. Hello Everyone: I know that this isn't directly related to the post-fair demolition, but found it interesting enough that I thought others might share their thoughts on the subject. Fifty years ago today, November 9, the Northeast Blackout of 1965 occurred. It happened as a result of human error, and shut down power to eight states on the Northeast coast, along with Toronto and Ottawa in Canada, affecting 30 million people over an area of 80,000 square miles. At that time, it was the biggest mass shutdown of the power grid that had ever occurred since the beginnings of electrification of the United States. Had it not been for a full moon, New York would have had very little light for people to see by. Fortunately, the weather was chilly but not life threatening cold, so people made it through without too much trauma. I have read several articles about it today, and have looked at a number of black and white photos, and it appears that people took it in stride, and coped as best they could. I wonder if people today would have behaved in such an orderly fashion? The reason I am posting this is because I was thinking about the fact that had this occurred several weeks earlier, the entire New York World's Fair would have been plunged into darkness at 5:27pm in the evening, and since power wasn't restored fully until early in the morning of November 10, you would have had thousands of people in total darkness in a one square mile area wondering what was going on. Since the fair was coming down to the wire with trying to bring in as much money as it could in the last days before closing, I can see Robert Moses screaming out orders to everyone to do something and quick-LOL!!! Luckily, that didn't happen, and instead on November 9, most of the demolition work going on at the post-Fair would have already ceased for the day, so nothing out of the ordinary would have happened for the demolition crews. Would be very interested to hear from anyone who was living in New York or the East Coast at that time and what it was like for you on that evening when the lights went out and left everyone wondering what was going on! Thanks!! Ronald
  23. Hello Everyone: Thanks for posting all of these great photos!! I too, have been thinking about the 75th anniversary of closing night 1940 for the NYWF. I was born six days before the opening of the 1964-65 NYWF, so I am too young to have attended either fair. The 1939-40 NYWF is how it all began for me with my interest in World's Fairs. Back in 1979, I was 15 and going through books on the shelf in my High School Library, and I came across a series of books from Time-Life entitled "This Fabulous Century". The volume that covered 1930-1940 had a large section about the 1939 New York World's Fair, and had many color photographs of the structures of the Fair. I knew nothing about World's Fairs, and so I became intrigued and started doing research at my local Public Library. I started to learn that many World's Fairs had been held, and even discovered that a second NYWF had been held on the same spot as the 1939 Fair. That is all it took, and I became somewhat obsessed with finding every book and article about the 1939-40 New York World's Fair that was available at that time (long before the days of the internet, it was hard work but fun!!). I also eventually became interested in the Century of Progress, Golden Gate Int'l Exposition and the 1964-65 NYWF. Throughout the years, I have put together a very large collection of World's Fair memorabilia, with a large portion of it being from the 1939-40 and 1964-65 NYWF's. It is funny to think that had I not found that book from Time-Life, I may have never known anything at all about any World's Fair. Today is a gloomy day where I live, and so now, I think about the demolition that would begin on the 1939-40 NYWF 75 years ago today; it is sad, but at the same time, I am inclined to agree with member "xl5er". He stated that had the 1940 Fair not been demolished, then the 1964-65 NYWF would not have come into being, and that would have been a real shame for all of us. Thanks!! Ronald
  24. Hello Everyone: I thought there would be a lot of discussion over the weekend since Saturday was the 50th anniversary of the last day of the 1964-65 New York World's Fair. I wanted to post but couldn't get my mobile device to cooperate, and didn't have access to my PC. It seems rather sad to think that 50 years ago today, the second day of demolition was underway for the Fair. Like so many others, it seems so crazy to think that literally years of planning went into the fair, and so much money (approximately 7-8 billion in today's money) that was spent on construction of some very elaborate pavilions, only to violently tear it all down when everything was essentially new!!! It would have been nice if a third season could have taken place- perhaps a profit could have been turned by then. It all seems so wasteful in the end, since so little was actually salvaged, and most of it ended up in landfills!!! I was only a year and a half old when the fair ended, but would give anything if I could go back and see it all, if only for just one day. I feel that the 1960's was the last of the true optimistic spirit our country had, and once the 60's ended, it seems to have all gone down hill. I would like to hear from others about your thoughts on the fairs closing, and what you would have done differently than what Moses and the Fair's Board of Directors did that caused it to end as a financial disaster. Thanks!! Ronald
  25. Next "World's Fair Auction" has started

    Bill: Glad you won the candy molds-- those appeared to be in nice condition- now you can make NYWF chocolate bars for future events at FMCP-LOL!!! Ronald