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  1. Hello Everyone: Today marks the 50th anniversary of the opening of Expo 67!!! It just so happens that we are using the same calendar for 2017 that was used in 1967, so this is the exact date 50 years later!!! I like Expo 67, but I still think that NYWF 64/65 had more appealing architecture, especially the large corporate pavilions. I wish that Expo 67 would have had more corporate participation than it did- to me that is one of the things that makes NYWF 64/65 more appealing-- it was more like a giant two-year trade fair, whereas Expo 67 was more about Nations than big business. Just my two cents worth-- I hope that everyone who reads this that visited Expo 67 in person will put some of their memories on here about being there in 1967. I was only three years old, so I was too young to remember Expo when it was going on. Thanks!! Ronald
  2. Aboard the Swiss Sky Ride in June 1964

    Nice view of the family telephone booth in the lower left area-- I always wondered if any of these got saved, or if they demolished them on the spot when the fair was being torn down. Anyone know anything about them?? Did they build them out of thin concrete, or perhaps fiberglass? Ronald
  3. Kodak pavillion model

    Hello Everyone: I know that this thread was last posted to over seven years ago, but the other day, I came across one of the original Kodak Pavilion models that was available for sale on a website that deals in high-end merchandise and artwork. It appears that the original model was made by a company called Displaymasters, Inc. of Edgewater, NJ. It was stated in the description that very few of these had been made, but the actual number is unknown. The example that was available for sale was in perfect condition-- the size of it was shown as being 24" long, 14" wide, and 6 1/2" tall. The price you might ask? It was being offered at $7,750.00. I would love to own one, but there is no way that I feel the model would be worth that much. It is rare, but considering it was originally offered up as a display for Kodak dealers to purchase and show in their stores to stir up interest in Kodak's participation at the NYWF, I feel a much more realistic price would be in the $1500-$2000.00 range. How do you fellow NYWF collectors feel about it? Ronald PS: In the photo above that shows one of the Kodak Pavilion models on display at the Queens Museum, is the touchtone phone in the photo one of those actually displayed at the Bell Pavilion? And is the IBM typewriter one of the original demonstration models that people could play around with at the IBM pavilion? The photo is a bit out of focus, so I can't read the descriptions shown in front of the objects in the photo.
  4. The Vault III CD-ROM

    Hello Everyone: What is this discussion about? I am unfamiliar with "The Vault"- is it some type of archived materials about the fair? Please let me know. I am very intrigued, LOL!!! Ronald
  5. Greyhound Bus / Window Decals

    To member "Circa" (Steve): I am interested in purchasing one of these from you before they are all gone!!! I have been wanting to send you a private message about these for several days, but was unable to figure out how to do so. I think I finally figured the private messaging system out a few minutes ago, and you should have a message from me now about this. Thanks so much- will look forward to your reply! Ronald
  6. Hello Mitch: I so hope you can save this wonderful piece of the fair!!! I have dreamed of owning this myself-- when I first became aware of it several years ago, I figured at that time that if it ever did go up for sale, it would be too rich for my blood!!! When it was offered up not long ago, I again thought about it, but knew that I live too far away to have it transported (I live in Illinois) even if I could afford it. Believe me, I would be first in line to own it if I could figure out a way to afford the transportation to Illinois and whatever it would cost to buy it from the present owners. Please do everything in your power to save it-- it would be absolutely criminal to see it end up scrapped!!! I missed out on a chance to own one of the ride chairs from the Bell Pavilion two years ago that had been preserved untouched in enclosed storage since 1965 by the original purchaser-- It was very reasonably priced, but it was too far away for me to get it transported to my home in Illinois. Good luck-- I will say a prayer that it gets preserved!! Ronald
  7. A very early look at General Motors.

    Hello Everyone: It has been awhile since I have posted anything on this forum. I have been reading this thread on the GM Pavilion and it made me think about the fact that the other day I read an article about the world's largest McDonald's that was built on the site of the 2012 London Summer Olympics that was operated only during the Olympics and then was dismantled. The intention from the beginning was that nearly 100% of the structure and it's fixtures would be reused at other McDonald's around Great Britain and very little of it had to be disposed of. It seems that in the 1960's everyone had the mentality that a magic "black hole" just sucked up all of the waste and garbage of the world and absolutely no one cared about recycling. When you think about the fact that the 1964-65 NYWF was nearly one mile by one mile square, and contained basically a small city of structures and that when the fair was over, most of it was carted off to land fills and not reused, it truly does seem to be a mindboggling waste of resources. Such a shame that Mr. Moses and the Fair Board of Directors couldn't have had the foresite to have the buildings designed so that at least 50% or more could have remained after the fair and repurposed into the dream that Moses had for FMCP. Just my two-cents worth. Ronald
  8. 1964 World's Fair to Cost $1 Billion

    Hello Everyone: I have an original ad from a publication from 1939 that boast of the Administration Building from the 1939-40 New York World's Fair having cost $900,000.00- and that was in 1938 when it was completed!!! That building was a beauty- it is a real shame that it wasn't saved for a post-fair repurposing. It would have made a nice Administration Building for the 1964-65 Fair with some modifications to make it look more 1960's modern. Ronald
  9. Items wanted for TV episode

    Bill: I always wondered if USS still had a copyright on the Unisphere- you answered my question by the statement you just made on this subject-- Thanks!! Ronald
  10. Very early aerial view

    Seeing this photograph, and then knowing what would be the completed product four years later, makes one realize how huge the undertaking was to build the 1964/65 fair. Thanks so much Bill for posting this fantastic photo!!! Ronald
  11. Happy Birthday, Bill Cotter!

    Bill: Hope you have a wonderful birthday, and thanks so much for all of your contributions to World's Fair Community!!! Ronald
  12. Hello: I have a question that I don't think has been addressed in previous threads (none that I could find, anyway), so perhaps someone can satisfy my curiosity: With the amount of money that was spent on the larger pavilions such as General Motors, Ford, General Electric, Pepsi Cola, Coca Cola, etc, did most of these have complete heating systems in them in addition to A/C to help protect all of the expensive displays during the Winter months between the 1964 and 1965 seasons? It would seem especially true of General Motors and Ford since they spent tens of millions to build these structures, and without any heating systems during the cold winter months, it would seem that much of the interiors would be susceptible to mildew and mold. I know it would be very expensive to heat them, especially since the structures would have been mostly empty except for Pinkerton security and a skeleton crew for maintenance, but with that much money on the line, it would have been a small investment compared to having to rip out and replace damaged interiors. Would like to hear anyone's input on this if you have seen any of the blueprints for these structures that would indicate heating systems. Thanks!! Ronald
  13. Hello Everyone: Upon looking at the close-up shot of the dangling construction worker, there appears to be another person standing on the "TOTFW", right in the middle where all of the arched sections meet. Could be an optical illusion, but I can make out what appears to be a head and body possibly bending over- what does everyone else think? Ronald
  14. Hello Everyone: I know that this isn't directly related to the post-fair demolition, but found it interesting enough that I thought others might share their thoughts on the subject. Fifty years ago today, November 9, the Northeast Blackout of 1965 occurred. It happened as a result of human error, and shut down power to eight states on the Northeast coast, along with Toronto and Ottawa in Canada, affecting 30 million people over an area of 80,000 square miles. At that time, it was the biggest mass shutdown of the power grid that had ever occurred since the beginnings of electrification of the United States. Had it not been for a full moon, New York would have had very little light for people to see by. Fortunately, the weather was chilly but not life threatening cold, so people made it through without too much trauma. I have read several articles about it today, and have looked at a number of black and white photos, and it appears that people took it in stride, and coped as best they could. I wonder if people today would have behaved in such an orderly fashion? The reason I am posting this is because I was thinking about the fact that had this occurred several weeks earlier, the entire New York World's Fair would have been plunged into darkness at 5:27pm in the evening, and since power wasn't restored fully until early in the morning of November 10, you would have had thousands of people in total darkness in a one square mile area wondering what was going on. Since the fair was coming down to the wire with trying to bring in as much money as it could in the last days before closing, I can see Robert Moses screaming out orders to everyone to do something and quick-LOL!!! Luckily, that didn't happen, and instead on November 9, most of the demolition work going on at the post-Fair would have already ceased for the day, so nothing out of the ordinary would have happened for the demolition crews. Would be very interested to hear from anyone who was living in New York or the East Coast at that time and what it was like for you on that evening when the lights went out and left everyone wondering what was going on! Thanks!! Ronald
  15. Hello Everyone: Thanks for posting all of these great photos!! I too, have been thinking about the 75th anniversary of closing night 1940 for the NYWF. I was born six days before the opening of the 1964-65 NYWF, so I am too young to have attended either fair. The 1939-40 NYWF is how it all began for me with my interest in World's Fairs. Back in 1979, I was 15 and going through books on the shelf in my High School Library, and I came across a series of books from Time-Life entitled "This Fabulous Century". The volume that covered 1930-1940 had a large section about the 1939 New York World's Fair, and had many color photographs of the structures of the Fair. I knew nothing about World's Fairs, and so I became intrigued and started doing research at my local Public Library. I started to learn that many World's Fairs had been held, and even discovered that a second NYWF had been held on the same spot as the 1939 Fair. That is all it took, and I became somewhat obsessed with finding every book and article about the 1939-40 New York World's Fair that was available at that time (long before the days of the internet, it was hard work but fun!!). I also eventually became interested in the Century of Progress, Golden Gate Int'l Exposition and the 1964-65 NYWF. Throughout the years, I have put together a very large collection of World's Fair memorabilia, with a large portion of it being from the 1939-40 and 1964-65 NYWF's. It is funny to think that had I not found that book from Time-Life, I may have never known anything at all about any World's Fair. Today is a gloomy day where I live, and so now, I think about the demolition that would begin on the 1939-40 NYWF 75 years ago today; it is sad, but at the same time, I am inclined to agree with member "xl5er". He stated that had the 1940 Fair not been demolished, then the 1964-65 NYWF would not have come into being, and that would have been a real shame for all of us. Thanks!! Ronald
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