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    NYWF 1964/65. RCA Pavilion, and all the big industrial pavilions, especially Disney-created, including Illinois; Bel-Gem Waffles!

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  1. Touring the Official Map #1

    That's an amazingly over-the-top rhapsody for a map, but it also is informative about the unique techniques of expanding the spaces between buildings so that they don't obscure each other. When you re-examine the map with this in mind, you can see that the horizontal dimensions of the buildings are shrunk compared to the plot they occupy, but it is done so skilfully that it still gives a correct impression. I wonder if the cloth ones were run on a different press with incompatible plates? The fact that mine was sold in October '65 would indicate that they had not run out of original stock, so had no incentive to reprint. My cloth map also has the Mississippi showboat.
  2. Touring the Official Map #1

    Something I forgot: the map I have framed is the "deluxe" "cloth" version, "suitable for framing" which was sold rolled up in a tube. It appears this was an earlier version than the ones sold at the fair, and was never printed in an updated version. The one I have was airmailed from Time Life Books to Grand Rapids, MI, postmarked from Jamaica N.Y., October 27'65, for $0.78.
  3. Touring the Official Map #1

    Ralph's is a 1965 version with The Pavilion labeled Churchill Center. The one at NYWF64.com is a 1964 version. There was at least one early update, as the version I have on my wall doesn't show Lowenbrau Gardens - just an open space. Lowenbrau appears on the NYWF64.com version and on Ralph's. Edit: maybe someone who has a map that's not framed can tell us if there's a printing date or number on the other side. I can't find one on the map side of mine.
  4. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    I had the same thing happen when I went to look at the list to verify the addition of some I identified. Folks, be sure to refresh the page / clear your cache or whatever is required to do a complete reload.
  5. Now Hear This!

    The Grand Sightseeing bus tour did go by there: http://www.nywf64.com/greyhound08.shtml but the horns sounded too puny to me to be a bus. Maybe if Larry Lief (our resident Greyhound driver and Dempsey Dumpster nemesis) sees this, he can comment.
  6. It's time once again to play "Name That Tune!"

    Unless you are a martial music musicologist, I'd suggest working on Tape 2 first (try a few on Tape 1 and you'll see why I say that). So don't get discouraged by Tape 1. Tape 2 is all easy listening instrumentals from the 50s or 60s or thereabouts. Some of the still unidentified ones I recognize, but have no idea of the title. Plus there are a number I don't recognize, but if you grew up hearing these on the easy listening station, you very well may.
  7. Now Hear This!

    I was curious about where a PA speaker might be - could it have been the carillon? Searching Bill Cotter's photo CDs, I found a picture with a PA speaker mounted above the Hummel shop, facing out to the Avenue of Asia There's a similar speaker above the Bel-Gem Waffle shop in Ralph's InternationalPlaza 6 Bel-Gem waffles picture.
  8. Now Hear This!

    Around 9:50: carillon. Around 10:25: beep-beeps, probably Glide-a-Ride horn(s). Around 10:30: a narration becomes audible. Beeps continue. 10:35 -10:40: narration sounds like: "...delicatessen..." "...products..." [?] Around 10:44: "We have room at the International Plaza for 600 people, 190 people..." (as best I can make out). The Glide-a-Ride EW route was the only one going by the International Plaza, and did not have narration, so it seems there was a barker PA system for the Plaza.
  9. By the Numbers

    Ralph, thanks for posting the numbers - I discovered I missed 5 audio files! Ralph, There is a clickable version of the 1964 map at NYWF64.com http://www.nywf64.com/maps01.shtml You might want to check it out in case it duplicates the work you were planning, and you could save the effort.
  10. HABITAT 67

    Thank you for these great postings!
  11. Flushing Meadows 1972 #6

    Number 5 does seem to be taken from Meadow Lake bridge, and the white brick structure at the left seems to correspond to a (painted?) red brick utility building of some kind that you can see today on Google Earth street view from Perimeter Drive. Also, number 4 does indeed appear to be looking at the Belgian Village site from Meadow Lake Bridge, with the view of the bakery beyond the park. You can see the street lamp today on Google Earth too.
  12. Unbuilt Pavilions

    I'll second that - the more I learn about Expo, the more I wish I could have gone to Montreal.
  13. Unbuilt Pavilions

    I think the idea that the absence of the big manufacturers was well planned is overstated, since the record clearly shows that there were ideas of them participating at first. The explanation of their commercialism eventually being rejected, however, does make sense; it seems that a mutual disagreement developed. As far as them being concerned about the returns from the NYWF, it has been discussed here many times that the NYWF got them some of the cheapest publicity they could imagine, even with the attendance 25 million below the rosy predictions. After that, they may have been concerned about possible overestimates in Montreal, and missed the opportunity when attendance went as high as it did.
  14. New Luminaries at FMCP

    Thanks for posting these.
  15. Unbuilt Pavilions

    " And you’re right – the severe non-commercialism clauses in the contract made it hard or even impossible for several companies to participate at Expo." Perhaps that is too bad. As the NYWF demonstrated, the big companies can produce some excellent exhibits. Of course, they tend to oversell how educational their pavilions are, but the fact is that the greatest impact on the public that can be had is to merely get the thought of important topics to enter their minds. Attempting to make an exhibit into a seminar will be counterproductive. I once went to a Jaques Cousteau exhibit that had so much text on the walls, it would take you three days to read it all. My only thought was that they were not educating anyone who wasn't already intensely interested and spending lots of time on the subject.
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