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About markallenmaine

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  1. Who's hungry for an evening snack?

    When my family visited the fair in May 1964 we ate a meal at Chun King (still have my paper placemat and napkin). I remember quite clearly watching a construction crew working on the little pavilions and that the trim was being painted red (one of my mother's slides show the right hut being worked on). This is the first time in 42 years that I've seen the structures as completed.
  2. Picture of the Day

    Hey, he was on a mission for God. What could the union say?
  3. scrap metal - the worlds last great ocean liners

    NCL, the now former owner of the S.S. Norway had originally planned to keep the ship in service (after a couple of flip-flops). The event that sealed her fate was a boiler explosion in May 2003 (killed eight crewman). New cruise ships are engined with marine diesels, not steam turbines. Diesels provide greater economy and flexibility, especially when high speed is nolonger required. NCL didn't feel that it made any sense to invest large sums to repair an obsolete propulsion system, and considering the ships age (forty-one at the time of the blast), they didn't want to take on the cost of conversion. As a side note, the R.M.S. Queen Elizabether II, engined with steam turbines (1969), was converted to diesel in Germany in 1987. The cost at that time was much more then the ship's original construction in Scotland. An update on the maritime site dated the 20th reported rumors that the sale to the scrappers has been canceled over environmental issues. Still, its just a matter of time before she's broken up. Another interesting item: NCL bought the S.S. United States (docked in Philiadelphia) and the S.S. Independance (docked on the west coast) in 2003 for possible revival. At this time, nearly three years after the purchase, both ships remain rotting at their berths. The Big U is now a rusting shell - her interiors have been completely stripped along with her lifeboats and davits. It's believed that she holds the record of being retained after active service longer then any liner (36 years). Other liners, such as the Queen Mary, have been maintained, but only for static purposes - often with their machinery stripped out. A final side note: In the past year I've acquired two small sofas that were in the Cabin Class lounge of the Big U. On occasion, as I'm sitting on one (they are very comfortable, and extremely well made), I think of what it would be like when they were in the lounge - the gentle roll, the hum of her powerful turbines down below.
  4. Astral Fountain

    For the diameter of the star-studded frame work you can see the track embedded in the fountain basin. This sucker certainly was big. I recall being very impressed by the whole effect when my family visited the fair.
  5. New York State Pavilion Now

    I believe that the pools located at either end of the zoo are located approximately where fountains had been sited in the 1939-40 fair. The pools by Ford and GM were removed in the post fair park restoration. The Roszak sculpture sits on the fountain site that was next to the Ford Pavilion.
  6. Pool of Reflections—Before and After

    While I'm don't have information on the T&P piles, I rather doubt it would have been used. Considering the unique stresses of the Unisphere, and the greater point loads, I would make an educated guess that the piles and footings were all new.
  7. Pool of Reflections—Before and After

    Looking at the Fair Report DVD's, you can see the progress of construction from 1961 to the late summer of 1963. From the arial views it looks like the trees date back to 1939 - remember, the center mall had a series of fountains from the Lagoon of Nations to the Trylon and Perisphere. The new (and permanent) pools were built on the former fair pool site. Very durable trees indeed!
  8. Bell System Before and After

    As a young enlisted man in the mid-seventies, I visited the Berghof garage ruins twice and took little masonry momentos each time (don't know what happened to them over the past thirty years). For folks not familiar with the building, the roof of the garage was the infamous patio where numerous photos of Hitler were taken. From what I've read, the former General Walker hotel (formerly "Der Platterhof") was demolished and cleared to become a parking lot for tour buses. During the demolition they also took out the Berghof garage and obliterated the site with debris fill. The general direction since 2000 has been to remove nearly all the standing buildings (including foundations of bombed buildings that were cleared away in the early fifties) relating to the Third Reich era. The only building still standing in proximity to Hitler's house, the Hotel Zum Turken, pre-dates the Nazi era. There's an interesting story about it - I'll leave that to some other time. I believe the new luxury hotel is built on the site of Hermann Goring's Obersalzberg villa (destroyed by bombs during the final days of the war. I've been quite surprised that any remanent of the Berhof survived as long as it did. Before my visits I'd assumed it had been removed in the same manner the Russians cleared the Reichskanzlei in Berlin.
  9. Bell System Before and After

    What! Me? I wouldn't stoop to such tactics...
  10. Ford Area

    I looked at my family slides taken in May 1964. In a shot taken at Ford, it shows the same black hardtop that you see in Al's photo. Did they keep the cars on display for the season, or did they change them from time to time? I know in '65 there were different models on display. I do remember being very excited seeing an actual Mustang - it wasn't all that long after its introduction and there weren't any around my area of New Hampshire!
  11. Bell System Before and After

    Yes, I believe they did. Doug Seed and I did a series of before-and-after photos based on my family slides from May '64. Doug and I recreated a picture on the other side of the pool - the only photo of my family together (sans mom, she was behind the camara) was taken in front of the Traveler's pavilion with Bell behind us. It sure helped us in the photographing to find that the current poles sit in the same spot as the fair lights. To help us get the view correct, Doug came up with the idea of printing the scanned slide onto a sheet of mylar (the sheets for overhead projectors) so that the photographer could hold it at the same position as the camara and look through to line-up the landmarks before taking the shot. I'm looking forward to seeing the results. By the way, great work! I know how hard it is to get right.
  12. How I spent my summer vacation

    During our fair visit my mother and I waited in line for the Futurama ride. The family story is that my dad had an annoying habit of walking off ahead of us and eventually out-of-sight. On our second day of our fair visit -I believe the 18th of May 1964, my dad did his usual trick with my two older brothers in tow. When my mom and I arrived at GM, she thought they were already in line, so we headed into the waiting area. What I remember were the steel railings and waiting close to two hours before boarding the ride. About an hour or so into our wait my dad and brothers appeared standing outside of the area looking a little sheepish. My mother caught their attention and waved for them to come join us - I remember many other people in line around us urging them to cut over and stand with us. My dad was too embarrassed and refused to take up the offer - much to my eldest brother's frustration (GM had been his number one goal of the trip). Mom and I rode the ride, elder brothers and father never got to see it. One last thing I remember - there wasn't any cover over the outer lanes, and I remember the relief I felt when we got into the overhang of the building and the cool of the shade. May wasn't a hot month, but standing in a beating sun was still hot! The roof must have come after mid-May at the earliest.
  13. Mormon Pavilion concrete

    Yes, parts of the Mormon pavilion still do exist. Back a few years ago one or two of this site's regulars located the fair legacy out on Long Island. I recall that this church is made up of the two end wings of the pavilion joined together, sans the tower. I believe it is in the legacies section here. From the photos I saw there was no doubt by the shape of the precast panels. I'm sure there are other folks who would have more details!
  14. Picture of the Day

    I remember standing at the lowest platform near the water while waiting to board the People Wall. One of my strongest fair recollections was being in the shade, and enjoying the cool breeze blowing in from the adjacent fountains. I also recall that we sat in lower portion of the grandstand as I was able to see the steel structure below the screens in the theater. IBM made a huge impression on this nine-year-old!
  15. Might be going to FMCP next week!

    The Whispering Column remains in its fair location. Some might think it was moved because it appears to be further back from the road then at the fair. This change was actually due to the removal of both outside pedestrian lanes. The surviving road in the center bus lane. My basic directions are go to the New York State pavilion and Theater in the Park, follow the road (the one that comes over the bridge from the zoo - not the Unisphere) towards the Fountains of the Fair and the "The Rock Thower" sculpture. You'll see the column just before the sculpture, it'll be to your left in the grass, roughly fifty feet from the road. Hope they've cleaned off the graffiti.